Re: Possible Japanese Censorship Law
I wrote too much while replying to tj han’s comments on my previous post about this issue, so I decided to make another one.
Once again, I would like to stress that I am not a lolicon. I am disgusted by loliporn. I am losing a lot of credentials as an anti-loli activist on the rizon IRC network by arguing this case, but it’s a matter of principle at stake here.
In his last comment, he compared my argument that thoughts should not be made criminal to the education system, so I shall continue from there.
Regarding Education
Education is a different thing. If this ban was about limiting the access of pornographic material to children, then I’m all for it. I do agree that children without proper supervision can be influenced by media. That is part of education.
It can be seen this way. Children lack the maturity to determine what is ultimately good and bad for themselves and thus cannot be held responsible for their actions. Therefore, it is the responsibility of the adults to guide them and a failure to do so is a failure on grown-ups’ part. This is education.
On the other hand, a grown-up is fully responsible for his/her own actions. The government is not be responsible for and should not interfere with the actions of an adult citizen, unless such actions bring about harm to other individuals and requires the intervention of the legal system to resolve.
The Arguments
Basically the argument for banning lolicon art are as follow:
- Loliporn could possibly/probably cause people (who did not have such intentions previously) to commit crimes.
- Even if it doesn’t, it’s a bad influence for society.
- No harm will come from banning it.
- It is abnormal.
- It goes against nature.
What I am saying is:
- I don’t think so.
- The majority has no right to enforce its definition of whether a concept or an idea is good or bad on the minority as long as the idea itself causes no harm to others. Being offended is not the same as being harmed. A lot of people are offended by homosexuality, but that does not provide enough justification for a ban on it.
- Art, freedom of expression, individual rights.
- People are different. Any minority group is, by definition, abnormal.
- By most definition, homosexuality goes against human nature.
I suppose my argument is largely based on my belief, taken from personal observations, that loliporn does not breed paedophiles. I firmly believe that such a drastic ban should only be considered if a direct link between the two can be proven.
Prejudice
It’s tragic for freedom of expression when concepts can be censored for being speculated to cause harm, despite a lack of evidence needed to prove a cause-and-effect relationship.
If this isn’t an obvious case of prejudgement, I don’t know what is. And if you are going to prejudge ideas to be harmful, why stop here? Why does regular porn escape the fury of prejudice? I can similarly speculate that porn is turning millions of adult males into serial rapists who objectify women.
I think it is emotional and irrational for people to react differently to loliporn. It is completely understandable to react strongly against real child porn because children were harmed in the making of it. Children are harmed by the actual act itself. In the case of loliporn and regular porn however, no one is harmed by the act itself. The only harm is their supposed negative influences on the actions of their viewers. Yet the dangers of loliporn is but a perceived one that has never been proven, exactly as in the case of regular porn.
Pulling statistics out of my ass, I’d say that 90% of adult males on the internet surf porn. That’s surely creating a lot of rapists if I may apply the exact same arguments against loliporn. Yet the very same people who surf adult porn somehow get to sling mud at lolicons from a moral high ground. Assuming that porn does turn people into rapists, are those people trying to tell me that regular rapists are better than paedophilic rapists?
Stop Prejudging!
Admit it, people are reacting so harshly against loliporn simply because it is different from their own preferences. They are sickened by the idea that some people are turned on by drawings of underage sex, meanwhile they masturbate to pictures of women in submissive poses, because that is somehow more socially acceptable. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you, I am disgusted by loliporn too. However, it is the right of the people to be different from what we believe to be “natural” and “right”, as long as such difference is not criminal in itself.
The only argument against loliporn that remains is that being turned on by drawings of young girls is “abnormal”. Then again, so is homosexuality.
Real child porn is bad. But if you want to argue that loliporn consisting of lifeless drawings is worse than regular porn consisting of willing pornstars, then you are a hypocrite.
Disclaimer
I will change my stance the day someone proves to me that loliporn turns people into child molesters. However, I do not believe that such a case can be established without similarly proving that regular porn turns people into rapists. It will be interesting to see how people react differently to the two even when such evidence is present. Sweet, sweet hypocrisy.



May 24th, 2006 at 8:35 am
I am against the banning of it because it does not harm anyone. Might someone who watches this go out and act it out? Maybe, but the same could be said for things like cop killing games and action movies. Will people go out and act that out? Maybe, but that doesn’t mean it should be banned. Most people can, in fact, watch something and not act out on that desire.
May 24th, 2006 at 9:39 am
Well said. I’ve always view lolicon the same as gay and lesbian - sexuality that does not conform to societal expectation and meets the irks of society because of deviation to the norm. Yea there’s child rapist that view lolicon material, I’m sure. But how does they reflect the whole group? That, IMO, is a bunch of horseshit. Few bad apples should not be representational of the entire group. If we’re to judge the whole by the few extreme ones, then we’ll have some pretty stupid comparsion, as you mentioned - Video game kills people, and retarded shits like that.
May 24th, 2006 at 5:34 pm
Whatever I think, I’m going to agree with DarkMirage. And instead of banning, I think a age restriction would be good.
May 24th, 2006 at 6:36 pm
Except that loliporn, and porn in general, already has a age restriction on them.
Anyway, yeah I suck at expressing my thoughts without digressing and over expanding every point…
gah.
May 24th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
to much to read so to cut it short… There’s a religious-type-fanatical zealot around.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:11 am
I guess this is how a non-standardised issue(sexual preferences) fits into an imperfect society(current laws, democracy, blah blah) mascarading as an idealist society.
Wish everyone would just initiate Human Instrumentality Project and commit seppuku.
September 12th, 2006 at 1:43 am
im asgisent the anti loliporn haters you may be disgusted but alot other like it
lolicon or and any other henati is more like a term of art its animated drawn in mywhere i think your going agaisent art work
September 14th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
well
i dont really care about loliporn in any great fashion
when i was first introduced to it i felt quite offended; but after growing to know a few people who were entranced by it, and loli in general i came to the conclusion that they were at worst emotionally retarted… but then again here we are disgussing something totally dumb on the internet ~_~
but the important issue here is censorship in any form.
that i am definately and catagorically against!
November 15th, 2006 at 7:37 pm
At first I’m not against loli art, but that concept comprehend a huge amount of expressions that goes from merely drawing children in anime/manga/game to hardcore porn that displays children being molested and tortured by adults, sick material created by sick people. This material is freely sold in japanese stores and abundant in the Web. These are the ones that is righ to restrain, but the law, when it comes, will take down all the manifestations without discerning, even the innocent ones. This will be a great blow in the freedom of expression of many people who was not creating child porn. All forthcoming repression we will thank to companies that do not orientate some self censorship to authors who cross the line by creating hardcore material.
November 17th, 2006 at 1:32 am
If no one objects, I will throw in my two cents. Society has, and always will, restrict people’s freedom. To say otherwise is rather foolish, for humans to coexist it must be that some actions are restricted. This will depend on what a particular society deems are undesirable. Thus, if a society decides that rape is undesirable it will bane all material which condones rape. Because, it is reasonable to assume that material which condones rape, regardless of medium, will increase the likelihood rape occurring. It is reasonable to assume that the same would hold true regarding sex with persons under the age of 18. So, it seems perfectly reasonable that a society which does not encourage sex between minors and adults would bane lolicon material. That is simply my personal opinion.
December 8th, 2006 at 2:01 pm
I agree with everything you said,basically everything you said is similar to my opinions.Except I like loli,than again I sorts of of H not just loli.True you may not like loli,but I respect you for not judging people for liking what they like.I have seen loli and have never been attracted to children,that is just disgusting.A lot of you people anger me,but whatever this is only my opinion though.
June 7th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
I think that ppl that hate anime porn are stupid! it is harmless unless u r talking about hentai rape, tentical sex, and children rape which i hate and it is disturbing and should be baned.Hentai porn is for ppl that have an alot of imagination which anime, and hentai supplies. I dont care if ppl hate hentai, but dont be callin it abnormal because u have no right to dis something that u have no clue about. Simple put. My opinion is that no one has the right to judge a nother person cuz of their interests.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
If you are not be able to be tolerant, it’s normal that you aren’t tolerated.
If you atempt at our liberties, we atempt at your liberties!!
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