An Open Letter to Odex
Odex is just about the only company in South-East Asia that licenses anime, but unfortunately their products are pretty low quality and few people buy them. They also maintain a low profile in the Singaporean anime community with virtually zero presence in anime-related events and online communities.

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Recently, Odex hinted that they are teaming up with IPOS to catch anime downloaders in Singapore, sort of like RIAS (Singapore’s RIAA) except for anime. Feeling bored, I sent them an e-mail regarding this rumour exactly one week ago but apparently Odex does not have the habit of checking their inbox, or perhaps they have a filter that automagically redirects everything into the spam box.
Well, here it is…
Hi,
I am DarkMirage, the owner of darkmirage.com. I run one of the more well-known anime blogs in Singapore and I have been involved in the online anime community for quite some time. I write to you with regards to some recent rumours regarding your company and your company’s operations in general.
There have been reports recently that Odex is going to team up with IPOS to target anime downloaders in Singapore. This was first reported in the community by a source close to your company and subsequently confirmed after the recent focus group by kwok, the owner of the blog lolicontrol, who participated in it.
Although I can understand your concerns, I disagree with this decision. But I am sure you have already heard similar objections from many sources so I will move on as this is not what I want to talk about.
The issue I am trying to raise was actually brought up by another local blogger, albeit in a blunter manner.
If you overlook drmchsr0’s usual over-dramatization of the issue, there is an important point to note. Your company has never been engaging the community. Unlike American distributors with their anime conventions, you do not appear at local events. I have met employees of American companies, such as ADV, online and they participate in forum discussions and community events just like the rest.
A recent example would be Bandai’s asosbrigade.com viral marketing campaign for Haruhi Suzumiya. I created a parody site at code-geass.com and the person in-charge of the site at Bandai actually added me to his MySpace friends. The fans KNOW that Bandai cares. We know that Bandai has been reading forums and anime blogs for feedback. The little things count.
When American fans are unhappy with something, they know where to find the people to speak to. Your recent focus group is about the only thing similar in nature that I have ever heard of from your company. I know of local anime fans who do not even know your company’s name.
The issue with IPOS is yet another side-effect of this isolation. You have your reasons for making such a decision, but you have to tell us what they are and keep us informed. But you don’t. Instead, we have to rely on rumours and second-hand information to get a vague idea of what Odex is really up to. And when we do that, the conclusions we come to are most definitely NOT in your company’s favour.
The same goes for your DVD releases. No one knows anything about your products until someone notices them on a LaserFlair shelf. You can hardly blame poor sales on downloaders alone (or at all). The lack of publicity on your part is just inexcusable, it’s almost as if you don’t want to sell those DVDs. The least you can do is to keep your website updated.
Because of your company’s isolation from the rest of the anime community in Singapore, you are seen as an outsider. In America, there is genuine support coming from the fans for the companies there because they feel that the companies pay them the respect they deserve as the consumers. The credits at the end of promotional video on asosbrigade even thanked fansub watchers who support the DVD releases. That means a LOT to the fans who obviously downloaded the fansubs (illegally you might say) and are now eagerly awaiting the R1 Haruhi DVDs’ release.
On the other hand, Singaporean fans view Odex as a non-entity that is outside the community. I have not met a single person who is looking forward to your Haruhi release, which may or may not exist at all since all we know about your future releases come from anonymous rumours. Personally I am looking forward to the R1 release which I plan on getting and I already own the R2 set. But I can’t say the same for Odex’s release.
It all boils down to a PR problem. Your company’s behaviour rubs fans the wrong way and you do not make any (noticeable) attempts at engaging us and addressing our grievances. The impression we get from past experiences is that Odex hates us. You do not bother to correct this impression, so we assume it to be true. You cannot expect local fans to support your products in a situation like this.
I have a very simple suggestion for Odex: create an official blog. You can post all your new releases and acquisitions there and keep us updated what the hell is going on so that we do not have to rely on rumours. When the fans are unhappy with something, we can bring it up there and get a discussion going. Some problems may not be so easily resolved, but at least we will know what is Odex’s official stand instead of making assumptions that are usually negative.
It does not take a whole lot of effort to maintain a blog and the benefits to your PR are enormous. All you have to do is to let the fans know what you are doing. Look at how the Japanese companies do it. Hell, if you cannot find someone to do it, I can even volunteer darkmirage.com for it. Free of charge even, if money is your concern (which it often seems to be).
I dare say that if you do go ahead with the IPOS plan, you will not see the slightest increase in sales. On the other hand, if you engage the community through a blog, forum discussions, feedback sessions and by participating in anime-related events such as Cosfest, support for your products and brand will build up naturally.
For the sake of the local anime community, I sincerely urge that you reconsider your company’s business practices.
One more episode downloaded does not equate to one less Odex DVD sold. You cannot force the consumers to like your products.
Thank you for your time,
DarkMirage
Or to summarize: Odex needs a PR department. A new one if it already has one, but I bet it doesn’t.

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Actually if IPOS is really going to go along with this, the easiest thing for them to do is to take down the name of everyone who walks into one of the anime goods import shops and then subpoena his/her ISP. You can probably get a >95% conviction rate.
It’s not a huge stretch to say that piracy created the entire anime community in Singapore, generating a ton of previously untapped export revenues for Japanese companies in the forms of figurines, goods and those R2 Haruhi DVDs that will be arriving at my doorsteps in about two weeks.
Please don’t kill anime.
P.S. Kyoushirou to Towa no Sora episode one ROCKED!!!… No officer, I didn’t download it. I just…uh…took a flight to Japan to catch it on TV last week.



August 10th, 2007 at 9:38 am
BlueMax’s releases are much better than O***, from the packaging to the quality to its time-to-market..
It does shows that they do care about the community. Thought, some of their price are abit high but collectors are willing to spend if they are not going to end up being coasters for beer!
It’s too bad that BlueMax can’t get as many titles like O***!
August 11th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Have you guys seen the “NEW” price for O*** products?
3 for 29.90, Are they desperate to clear their stock-.-?
I went to popular, comic connection they were the same,
what happen to O***? meet a dead end? if they did, HHUUURAY!
August 12th, 2007 at 1:50 am
YAY!!1 If that’s the direction Odex is heading… I’m totally applauding for it! 3 for 29.90, i still see many piling up in those stores and not even clearing at all…
Their quality sucks, the offers are for those super outdated few years ago anime. Who needs it?
To Odex, please dun clamp down on fellow anime fans just because the dl anime instead of buying from you, your quality really sucks and some subbings really went off the cliff… Do something about it and not take it for granted you can control t he whole Singapore anime community by being the SOLE LICENSED COMPANY FOR ANIMES. By the way, your anime release are either not so nice or out too late… Crossing the causway can even find and buy beta quality and CHEAPER anime than there…
Give it a rest ODEX. You are not gaining any recognition from the local anime fans only PURE DISGUST AND RESENTMENT.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:15 am
Buy lots of them, bring them to CASE and sue them for full refunds and compensations etc… :)
It’s high time with familiarize ourself on consumers’ rights like in the states.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
PLS READ TODAY’s Straits Times,
STARHUB MUST GIV NAMES OF ILLEGAL ANIME DOWNLOADERS! Pg3.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
yup read the newspaper. Im sure they will survive off the out of court settlement money but then again lets just see how long they can last. I for one have already boycotted their products. Im looking forward to their collapse eventually. Give or take mabbe about 2-3 years if the anime community really 100% boycott them.
I take the pleasure of walking into all the shops selling anime. Makes me think that most of us anime fans have more DVDs in our homes then compared to the DVDs that they sell. Well i have the time to bide. I wunt lose anything by not dlding and not buying from them. They however will not be able to hold on indefinitely without sales and purchases from us. They have the law to back them up but the law does not compel us to buy from them. So if they want to go down that road, we as consumers can play it our with them. We see how long they can last.
Juz a moment of morbid pleasure here, if u think about it, 3 boxsets for 29.90 would kinda come up to pirated prices. Guess what? They are already getting what they deserve. It would be awesome to see them sell if off at the $2 shop one day. When the day comes, that will be the defining moment for all of us anime fans.
Till the day comes, hang tight you guys! Ganbatte!
August 14th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
Nah, down the road they’ll have to pay US to ‘buy’ their Anime.
Their subbing are all shitty outsourced jobs. To add to the Headache, our local board of film censors are run by idiots, so half the time our legal R1/R2s get raped.
It isn’t just SUEdex that’s f***ed up people!
August 15th, 2007 at 11:50 am
What can we do to stop these blood-sucking vampires??? Boy-cotting them will not work because we will still be made to pay them and sustain their blood-sucking work. It’s like we are killing our own commuinity!!!
Is there any loophole that we can exploit to fight the case?? Just think about it…. if each of us is going to fork out $3-$5k, why don’t we band together with the money that we are going to fork out anyway and fight them to their deaths??? We should exhibit some Naruto / Bleach fighting spirit here. ….DON’T GO DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
To Paranoid:
Like I said, do we have any ground to sue them for inferior products? IF they used fansubbed for their discs, are they liable for ‘piracy’ too??
August 15th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
J, if you realise, some fansubs are actually much more better than odex’s products. the quality is better and their language skills are much more better too. i would be happy if they use fansubs…
August 15th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
I think our case will be weak if we counter them with inferior quality.. its almost like a paedophile saying that Brothel A has poor quality kids and so we go to Brothel B. But it still doesn’t erase the fact that we F*** kids in the first place which is dead wrong. (Pardon me is this is super crude). So we cannot say that Odex FORCE us to commit crime.
I am thinking about some other loophole, .. like the way they gather evidence and etc…
I just read on Wiki that it take a someone in the file-sharing loop to catch us. Meaning they were guilty of the crime in the first place? And there doesn’t seem to be a fool-proof way to claim 100% without benefit of a doubt that we downloaded the entire file. I am sure we came across instances where there were no seeds and our DLs stopped at 99%.
In Singapore, if we cannot prove beyond doubt that we did it, then we cannot be charged as guilty.
Remember the changi traffic accident case, 2 idiots hit a motorcyclist one after the other. Because the court cannot prove which car caused the motorcyclist to die, both were freed!!!! And these 2 idiots didn’t even stop to help the motorcyclist!!!
August 15th, 2007 at 11:40 pm
TO YJ, I know that if they used fansub it’s better BUT the fact that they said that fansub is killing them and is out to make them illegal is too much..
It’s like slapping the same hand that feed you.
I understand that we need only ONE strong case against them and that will be the end of them.. Just like RIAA lost one important case and had to drop the rest till they can find a solid cause as mentioned in Wiki…
Do O*** guys also go and amend Wiki??
August 16th, 2007 at 12:00 am
can we now think about what are we gonna do when we receive the odex letter?
Odex claim that they merely represent japanese anime companies to sorta like “sue” or “fine” us for DL-ing or BT-ing fansubbed animes. And speculation is that they gain profit which is why they became stricter with the trackings of the BT logs as well as gaining ISP customers info’s rights in order to detect people who watch anime.
The thing is, if odex gain profit to “fine” us all, then what is the implications of issuing letters to anime fans who DL/BT animes? would it be for money sake?
if that is the case, i can conclude that the COPYRIGHT office of the government in SG collaborate with ODEX to fine people for the sake of profits. and by right since the IP doesn’t belong to ODEX, all fines should go to the japanese anime companies who made/produced those animes right?
And on 14th of AUG 2007 straits times pg3, shows that odex is already started tracking speedily.
and the law has just recently been implemented without public notices and in the letter (dm’s link) shows that they tracked to 2 years ago. and you get into trouble because of the things which isn’t an offense 2 years ago.
It is like 2 years ago there is no law about murdering, then i happened to murder. then at present, i did not murder but was charge for murdering because the law newly states that murdering is a crime. “they played with timeline”
and lastly, of course this is singapore… “i would be blogging about the Singapore pledge soon” as not many people actually put the national pledge into practice.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:16 am
I guess it’s about who has the balls to engage in a fight with them? Most people who got the letter I found in the forums said they’ll just pay the money. And it’s not even a fine. It’s out of court settlement for damages incurred to them. So it’s a civil suit.
It does not involve the police…so its not a criminal case.
But there IS ACTION undergoing now. Someone has started an MSN group to discuss on our rights and what we CAN DO when we we do get the letter. They are organising a meeting to educate us if we bother or are courageous enough to take up the fight.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:30 am
To Paraniod:
About this MSN group, what if O*** infiltrated it or worst master-mind it?
The answer to fight the case depends on if we can get a IT-savvy lawyer that can represent the community rights and take on them..
August 16th, 2007 at 2:09 pm
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just a question, will downloading from irc be safer then? safer from o*** i mean
August 16th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
hey guys, please read today’s straits times review section, according to it, their case against us are not that strong. i personally haven’t read it, but according to my friend, in order to sue us, they have to “prove alot of things, such as we are profiting fromt he dl, cannot get the anime elsewhere by cheaper means, not impacting future sales..” (quoted from my friend)
anyway, i’ve studied very very basic law, (but not copyright laws, so things might work different there) there are two ways to sue someone, civil means and criminal means. the former, the sue-er must be a person or someone, the latter, the sue-er is the Singapore govt.
and to sue for civil means, the compensation can be injunction (e.g. force you not to download anymore again) or damages (which basically means money) to prove for damages, they must prove that the amount they lost due to our downloading can be reliably estimated, and that our actions directly cause their lose (Hadley v Baxendale) but then again, as i’ve said, that’s contract law, copyright laws might be different.
if they can’t sue by civil means, then it could be possible that they will hand the evidence to the police then the Singapore govt will sue us under criminal law, the fines WILL NOT go into their pocket.
please note that the last 3 paragraphs do not constitute professional opinions, so don’t quote me on that.. thanks =)
i think i’m going to seek some free legal advices on it… haiz…
seriously, don’t you feel that Odex is such a jerk? we have NO other means of getting the latest episodes, and we’re mostly stressed teenagers.. aren’t they sending the message that watching and keeping porn is more illegal then downloading and watching anime? what’s Singapore becoming to… when downloading porn is less dangerous than downloading anime. haiz. i’m feeling so distressed. i don’t watch porn, i don’t club. now i can’t watch anime.. how?!
August 16th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
then again, does anybody know if we can sue them for psychological disorder?
or maybe.. just maybe.. they’re suing us and laughing cuz they have the muscles and they’re organised. let’s just boycott starhub and singtel, all their power broadband plans, we ALL downgrade to the cheap cheap plans.. then starhub and singtel, upon feeling the pinch
imagine 100 000 people downgrading their broad band plans, from say.. 80 bucks a month to those 20 30 dollars a month type, they’d lose 5 to 6 MILLIONS a month! haha. they’d lose 50 - 60 million a year. they just needa use a fractional of that amount, they can find some stupid reason to sue Odex out of business.
who’s in?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
http://www.geocities.com/pulse_cch/anime.html
Kudos to Andy Ho!!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
Hi All,
I’m not an anime fan, but I’m appalled by how these scum-sucking bastards Odex have decided to make a quick buck and just risk alienating all of you. Dark Mirage, I applaud your nicely crafted letter, try sending it to ST or the New Paper.
What really worries me is how they managed to get Starhub/Singtel/PacNet to reveal customer IP information to them…
I read the New Paper article on how they did this (http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,138165,00.html) and it says they first employed a US company to track and record the downloaders then they used this data to force a court to give them access to our ISP’s IP addresses & log files which they had to match back to IP address to get the culprits.
I’ve done a lot of research on this and how to protect myself as I download content online as well. I use BitTorrent and I’ve got Peer Guardian 2 (which blocks you tapping into an IP seeder who is likely to be one of these US companies that Odex could’ve hired) and also IP Anonymizer (www.anonymizer.com - you have to pay for it, but its well worth it) this basically lets you go through a proxy server and masks your real IP - so therefore those people recording your IP address (at the US end) will record your fake IP.
Protect yourselves, fuck these scum-suckers like Odex - and don’t fight them in court - they’d probably win…. They probably employed some high powered lawyers who don’t mind spending the time as they get paid a percentage of the settlement