Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




May 30th, 2007 at 3:12 am
Godspeed DM, godspeed.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:16 am
Actually, moving to Sweden seems like a better option, lol
May 30th, 2007 at 4:53 am
gods….
no privacy at all…finally.
direct download site will pop up with more and more people….
May 30th, 2007 at 5:04 am
That’s why I like Poland - it’s a normal country - our two most important persons, the president and prime minister, are twins (I shit you not).
Anyway, I’ve already mentioned this on ADD, let me C&P:
Has anyone tried “Protocol Encryption” when using a BT client? A full explanation can be found here: http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Message_Stream_Encryption. Here’s an excerpt:
“The following encapsulation protocol is designed to provide a completely random-looking header and (optionally) payload to avoid passive protocol identification and traffic shaping. When it is used with the stronger encryption mode (RC4) it also provides reasonable security for the encapsulated content against passive eavesdroppers.”
Of course, this does not solve anything, just allows you to download your precious Lucky Star anonymously ;) It should be safe, it’s supported by uTorrent/Azureus/BitComet/KTorrent (AFAIK), by default uTorrent accepts such connections, so there shouldn’t be fewer peers (not like it’s a problem for the new torrents :).
Hope this helps, but I would prefer if such a method would not be needed in the first place :/ Seriuosly, there is something wrong here… - “Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.”
May 30th, 2007 at 5:17 am
You know, considering you live in a nanny state where the purchase and consumption of chewing gum is severely restricted (sorry, I had to make a jab at that. It feels good.), it would make sense that a private organization would be able to pressure an ISP to divulge IP addresses and the such. The privacy rights of individual consumers will be easily thrown to the wayside in the interest of preserving the non-complacentcy of the ISP concerning the download of fansubs.
What would make a bigger case in your courts: an ISP upholding its TOS by giving an anti-piracy group the IP addresses of users violating international copyright law, or litigation concerning privacy rights of denizens in an already highly controlled society?
May 30th, 2007 at 6:43 am
Yikes, I’m scared after reading that letter and it’s not even addressed to me. an interesting read, and it does strike me as strange that companies can find out anything they want to know about you, by the looks of this. Good stuff, thanks for sharing. Big Brother IS watching you. Whilst you sleep.
May 30th, 2007 at 7:09 am
I agree with you. Singapore laws are always quite…. perculiar.
Just curious, how do you know Odex hasn’t gone through a legal process to obtain the names?
May 30th, 2007 at 7:22 am
Eeek,that has to suck….
May 30th, 2007 at 7:23 am
Is it legal to download anime when by torrent is not ?
May 30th, 2007 at 7:50 am
Hmm the moving to Japan suggestion sounds interesting,not that I could do it now anyway. Lol.
Anyway,I doubt bittorent encryption actually works. Or does it? Anyone knows?
May 30th, 2007 at 8:03 am
sorry about the my last post, I forgot a word lol
Is it legal to direct download anime when by torrent is not ?
May 30th, 2007 at 8:12 am
By the way, notice how ODEX’s website has been ‘down’ due to it getting a new look? It’s been like that for at least 2 weeks already
May 30th, 2007 at 9:04 am
Winnyは?
May 30th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Here in the US, an ISP would be legally liable if they released customer information to a party that claimed infringement.
As part of a two-man US based regional ISP (we’re part of a local telco and have about 6,000 customers), when I get a letter from a copyright holder, I call the customer and tell them they need to stop sharing whatever I was specifically told they were sharing. Personally, I’m polite about it, because I understand. Larger ISPs may not be as nice. Polite or not, though, around these parts they aren’t getting customer information without a warrant. Personally, I don’t even inform the copyright holder representative unless they demand that I do so.
I see this as a question in two parts:
1) Does Odex actually have the right to this information without legal proceedings? You asked this, yourself, but seriously, please find out. If the otaku of Singapore don’t find out NOW, this could set a really bad precedent for politics in your country as a whole. The US is already slipping down that particular slope because we didn’t win the war with music and movie copyright enforcement sanity several years ago. The entire world is being dragged down in this mess because of a few large US and European copyright holding companies spearheaded this insanity, but it looks like Singaporeans can go from zero to exploited a lot faster if a corporation can be given this sort of power, protected by the law or not.
2) Even if they do have the right to do that under the law… Does the law protect their pursuit of it? Interfering with a police or government investigation is a crime in most places… but is interfering with a private corporation’s martyr hunt a crime there? A little intentional poisoning of the waters to create fake infringement can make their search a lot harder, and embarrass them in court. I’d still be scared in Singapore, though, because I’m not sure how much power the courts have even if some one could prove they were only pretending to share.
As far as Winny… Tracking down uploaders on it is pretty easy. I’d be just as scared to use Winny as I would to use BitTorrent.
Whether Winny or BitTorrent, though, I’d imagine that international proxies and anonymizing networks could solve the problem. I doubt Odex has the resources to track it that far, especially not on a large scale.
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