Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




June 1st, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Jesus Christ this has gotten really ugly.
June 1st, 2007 at 12:44 pm
FWIW, I bought Gundam MS08th from them last time when Stephen was operating a booth at a PC show about 8 yrs ago. One of them came to me on a….. CDR. How “original” is that? I remember he used to have a store at Jurong Entertainment Center near Jurong East MRT…used to cross over after my exam at IMM.
June 1st, 2007 at 12:55 pm
DVDs? Hah, don’t make me laugh! Pardon my ignorance, but I’ve NEVER seen Odex DVDs being sold in stores!
Actually I kinda sympathise with that guy. Its true btw, fansubs are getting a lot better! If you don’t believe, try comparing your DVDs(those 2006 onwards) with fansub releases that came out around the same time. You would notice very little difference.
But then again, this goes to show that publishers like Odex are also behind the times, while the fansub community has been keeping head-to-head with these publishers.
Ok, I do admit, that fansubs do have the upper hand right now, even in the wake of this Odex fracas. And if all publishers can do is admit their bloody DVD is of the same quality to the fansubs, then they’ve lost, its as simple as that. Odex have brought this upon themselves by admitting to the public their own shortcomings.
You may be able to force a donkey to the watering hole, but you can never force it to drink!
June 1st, 2007 at 1:03 pm
“Focus groups, he said, have been unable to differentiate fansubs from its DVDs when played on a 42 inch TV set.”
Aww come on. Don’t be so vindictive - Mayhaps the focus groups in question were all blind? I’m sure the audio would’ve sounded pretty much the same. Let’s not jump so hastily to conclusions shall we?
June 1st, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Sunshine plaza is one that has a store with R1 DVD selections, but NOT kknm.
Anyway, that article is bullshit. Focus group? They only let in a minority of less then 20 people, and the call to go for that focus group went unnoticed by alot of fans. Alot of us didn’t know of that focus group until some bloggers blogged about it.
They didn’t even dare mention the titles of the DVDs in that bundle. Its not the price only that fans don’t bite, its the selection of titles that results in fans not biting. Most fans don’t give a shit about draggy overhyped mainstream titles like Naruto and Bleach, they’re so filled with fillers we don’t give a damn anymore.
Also they failed to mention that our selection of Anime released here is pure utter outdated crap. They should license recent Anime and release as such for Singapore, the f**king world isn’t America and Japan only! We want promos, we want extras. We want accurate release schedules with good quality and accuracy. We don’t want cheapskate shoddy crap.
They call us pirates, but we simply download and watch the Anime, we don’t profit, heck we don’t sell the downloaded fansubs. Most of us also delete the Anime series that we don’t like and make it a point in future not to buy it. They complain that when we download fansubs we don’t buy Anime, but true fans do buy Anime they like when they are released on a good medium. Go chase those that don’t even fork out a cent for their collection!
I have music, manga and Anime downloads, but I also rival that with a large collection of legit stuff that I found I liked and worth the money to buy. For instance, I download Negima manga raw chapters, however I buy both Taiwan chinese releases as well as the American Del Ray ones as they are released. In the end they will still say what I’ve done is a crime.
The other major issue is censorship. We hate people telling us what we can watch and what we can’t watch. We ain’t as uneducated as to know right from wrong. Sure, you may argue that children may get their hands on questionably violent anime or over ecchi stuff, but who’s fault is that? Stop sheltering your f**king citizens and EDUCATE them to differentiate reality and fiction dammit! We don’t give a shit about your lame ass national studies and social studies. They failed to work. Heck, this country needed a courtesy campaign, did it work? Nope. The majority of us Singaporeans are as barbaric and inconsiderate as ever. Go to any warehous sale at Expo and see the state of products there after day 1. Its like a typhoon went in to rape and slaughter.
Anime like Girls Bravo, which are filled with ecchi humour, and Anime like Elfen Lied filled with copius amounts of graphic violence, but also themes of humility and humanity, will never come here, and when and if they did, they get so heavily edited its practically unwatchable. How the f**k are we supposed to get such titles legally in this stuck up conservative country?
We have a goddamn rating system for video material, it is the responsibility for stores to implement them to ensure people not of specific age groups get their hands on it. And if they do, the fault lies from their source. An ignorant parent, a retailer out for fast money or irresponsible senoirs just buying for their juniors. Its the same like cigarettes and booze, you place a f**king law but underage parties still get their hands on it. Control the right places you authoritarian dimwits!
That article is biased and one sided. Anime fans in the community have been complaining and griping for YEARS! ODEX refused to listen then, so we took matters into our own hands. They argue now that they organised a focus group. F**k them, they should have done forums on a monthly basis since day 1. We all know what they are doing now is only to save their hides from falling revenue because fans ain’t picking up their limited crap and the mainstream community is sick of the same old same old and want variety.
I’m joining the ODEX boycott, they are an enemy to the spirit of the otaku community and our pride as supporters for the love of Japanese otaku culture.
June 1st, 2007 at 1:27 pm
@negativzero: In mitigation, I _have_ seen Odex DVDs on sale at Comics Connection and LaserFlair. Precious few, but they do exist, contrary to popular belief. =P However, reports on their quality are rare. Perhaps some brave souls who’ve actually seen their latest releases could give an objective review?
@Vecos: Hence, it’s all a “perception problem”! (-.-”)
June 1st, 2007 at 2:33 pm
I am thinking of replying to that article in The Straits Times, since Odex does not seems to check their email and their site upgrading process seems to be permanent. Points that i like to bring up:
- There are a lot more VCDs than DVDs available. We prefer to watch our animes in higher resolutions
- The library of anime on DVDs are extremely limited, some are even ‘old’( I need some examples). We prefer the anime library to be updated; waiting for a long time for a title to be available locally is unacceptable(cite the acceptable time period).
- Stop censoring some terms in the video using the subtitles; with reference to Shakugan no Shana, quite a number of us can differentiate between Japanese ’s ‘Oniisama’ and the English’s ‘Master’; we have some basic Japanese.
- That they should first release the title, then catch the real pirates. Not license it locally, catch ppl, then take ur time to slowly release. U seems to enjoy suing ppl to make money
- For god sake, UPDATE UR FREAKING SITE ASAP AND REGULARLY; previously it’s a site that seems abandon, now it’s a site that is always upgrading.
yeah, that should be about it…… though i really wanted to add ‘…kick Mr Sing ass out of Odex ASAP, he does not seems to understand what we want.’
June 1st, 2007 at 2:38 pm
I need more points though, maybe like add a legal download thingie, since by buying DVD, we have to remember the physics law of conservation of mass.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:30 pm
@ holybell84: Agreed, it’d be fantastic if we could band together and compose a rebuttal of that article and send it to the ST Forum.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:34 pm
Hi
I actually own a few of ODEX’s earlier DVDs. Pretear, Vandread Season 1 and Battle Athletes.
Quality is so-so (I am not really so into the nitty-gritty details of sound quality) but the subbing is not very consistent plus got a fair amount of spelling and grammar errors (kind of embarrassing considering we are supposed to be ‘experts’ in English compared with other Chinese).
My main grouse with ODEX is their insistence on publishing their titles on VCDs. Though I am quite ok on the sound quality, video quality is another matter all together. I still don’t understand why would people prefer VCD when DVD quality is so much better (price perhaps?).
Oh yeah, the DVDs also had very little in the form of extras, so there. I haven’t looked at the DVDs in a long time so if you want a better review please let me know.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:38 pm
Oh, and another point could perhaps be why they seem to think that it’s a good thing that the focus group couldn’t differentiate between their DVDs and the fansubs.
After all, the fansubs are free, so they’re essentially charging people for something they can get for free, and at the same quality?
June 1st, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Good point u have there, they are just literally sitting on the licenses cos they are now the only company that so called has its privileges. However, shldnt the licensee do something to promote and make sure the titles they have are released in the fastest time possible?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:25 pm
It’s juz so amusing to hear pple saying they r considering moving away from Singapore n also not coming to Singapore becuz of this anti-piracy thing. I juz can’t believe it… Will u all really do it or juz talk only..haha…Singapore is really a nice play to stay u know… I dun care abt the anti piracy thing, but pls dun drag our country down…thanks
Anyway, after reading all the posts, my question is…in the first place, is downloading right? Is taking someone’s else property without permission/approval right? So whose fault is it in the first place…..
June 1st, 2007 at 4:34 pm
Yeah, this is my first draft. I need help to add in more points and make it seems less agressive as I am still pissed off at the moment and at the same time, my cousins are increasing the noise pollution in my room.
Dear editor,
I am writing in response to the article ‘Getting Anime Illegally Online? Beware.’ posted in the papers on 1st June.
After doing some research on the local anime community, there are some points that I would like to point out. But first, let’s look at the reasons why a large number of anime fans love fansubs. The reasons are:
- Relatively good video quality and accurate subtitles that sometime explains everything.
- Fast and consistent time period of release.
- Lastly, they are free.
With good video quality and accurate subtitles, the fans has no problem understanding what is going on and they won’t miss a beat. Though fansubs are free, a large numbers of anime fans in Singapore are willing to fork out money to get their hands on the best and latest anime titles, which is why some of us paid sums to import DVDs from overseas; the rest lacks the luxury of the means required for importing.
Now, look at the local anime scene;
- The last time I check, I saw a lot more VCDs than DVDs on the shelves. I myself was ecstatic when I heard Mai Otome was released but crushed when I saw it was on VCD. We really prefer watching anime on higher resolutions as they offer better clarity. It also seems weird that VCDs are being used more in the age where Bluray and HD DVDs are at each other neck.
- The library of animes on DVD is extremely limited. Every time I pop into Laser Flair and Comics Connection, it’s always the same old title staring back at me.
- Censorship seems to be all over the place. For example, with reference to the Shakugan no Shana DVD which I bought sometime back, censorship is in the form of the subtitles. Heck, I believe at least half the anime community know the difference between ” Oniisama” and “Master’.
- Grammatical and other errors are peppered in the subtitles.
- The DVDs are lacking in extras, which if included will certainly improve sales.
- Odex’s previous site was barely, rarely updated. Now it’s in a upgrading process for god knows how long.
- Lack of advertising; we never know which title is coming up next. The only time I saw an advertisment on anime is something from Bluemax for Full Metal Panic on TV.
All the above mentioned factors contribute to the large number of illegal downloads in Singapore and increase in cases of “Odex Phobia”. But however, the situation can be improved if the animes released legally in Singapore are more ‘friendly’. Below are suggestions from the anime community on how to improve:
- More DVD quality anime pls. It’s really absurd that we have to pay for VCDs for our anime in this age of HD. Also, some fansubs’ video quality are actually lower than that of a normal DVD quality video. Since the focus groups can’t differentiate between the fansub and the original DVDs, it also means that the fans are being charged for something they can get for free.
- More accurate subtitles too. This is to faciltate understanding for fans whose lingustic skills in Japanese are not as good yet. Also, it is embarressing to have so many grammatical errors when our linguistic skills with English are supposed to be strong.
- Check with the community or some other dependable source on which anime to release in Singapore.
- Faster release of animes; we seriously hate waiting so long for something that is good.
- Update your website regularly, Odex; it will help seriously
- DVD extras to be included; and we don’t mean meaningless adverstisments.
- Minimise editing on anime; it’s really a pain in the butt to go through something that is cut here and here. Maybe raising the age limit is sufficient.
- Since downloading fansubs are illegal, why not start a legal anime download program or something? Fans just have to pay a fee and download their anime online. This is pretty favorable, considering the current internet speed that the local ISPs are providing and that we do not need to store the large numbers of DVDs and VCDs.
- More advertising. Seriously, quite a number of people, me including, do not know that the $9.90 package exist.
Hopefully, Odex is reading and taking this seriously. Most of the anime community really don’t mind paying for quality authentic goods( as long as it is not too expensive) so that their creators can continue to produce more quality works.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:51 pm
So what you want to say is we should get permission to download fansubs.
Ok then…
Me: Hey I want to download your fansub, I think its better then the crap we get off our store shelves here.
Fansub Group: Go ahead. Support us. We rock.
Me: Yay.
All talk, yeah maybe most of us are, but I do plan to move, I’m just waiting to get out of NS and its compulsory slavery first.
The internet itself is illegal if current laws stay in the Prehistoric era. Pictures and texts online have copyright laws, so that picture or text you download can get you sued.
Anything you say that ctiticizes poltics or any political or government funded organization can get you sued.
In some countries, not using your real name online can get you sued.
Oh nice, maybe in a few years, breathing can get you sued.