Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




June 1st, 2007 at 4:52 pm
CONTINUED: Got some weird error while posting comment:
Oh and about putting blames, ODEX gave us CRAP in the first place and made us WAIT for crap, without even LISTENING to US for recommendations or suggestions for YEARS! Then when we get the CRAP, MDA butchers it further.
Can you blame the thousand or so fans for resorting to fansub downloads to get Anime the way the want it and the way it was meant to be shown? We are left to downloading because we are out of options and are left with no f**king choice!
Personally, I have spent close to S$20K on my current collection of Anime, Games, manga, Books and Collectables. All not surprisingly, IMPORTS. Of that value, 20% can be credited to shipping costs alone! Or air tickets to said countries to buy stuff during conventions. There is NOT one thing in my collection from Singapore.
Okok, except Pokemon Adventures English Manga from Chuang Yi. Even then the translation fails in some parts, especially when the names of Blue and Green. They translated wrong. The girls is actually Blue, and the guy (Gary) is actually Green. Yeesh.
I emailed em before about the error long ago. Not surprisingly, I not only NOT get a reply, they didn’t fix the error.
Goes to show how much local companies for our hobby gives a shit about us.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:54 pm
I don’t really mind paying more and buying DVDs if they are of good quality to watch and keep as collection. If quality is bad and they are outdated… no use even if bundle 10 of them and sell for $1. Nobody will buy and I guess this is the case now. People will rather pay more and import from Japan etc or get them through other means.
How bout I pay ODEX some amount of money per month to download those animes they licensed thru fansub sites for you to stop killing the anime community here…. as for the VCD/DVD… they can keep… I don’t really need that…since all they care is profit right? They don’t even need to do anything this way and can even save on VCD/DVD money! Think they’ll earn more than suing ppl this way…..
June 1st, 2007 at 5:03 pm
They can’t do that, fansubs are not to be sold, thats the No 1 rule in the fansubbing community. No one is to sell or buy fansubs. Thats one rule we Otaku intend to follow.
The solution is to set up a company locally that will rival ODEX in Anime marketing and releases. A company that gets licenses directly from the Japanese companies and release them only for Singapore.
As I said, the world isn’t just f**king America and Japan!
June 1st, 2007 at 5:04 pm
Hey guys.
I’m looking for abao in particular. If any of you who reads this knows him, please direct him to this comment.
I want to work with abao on his idea of a group to directly bring timely anime episodes into Singapore. It’s a really rough idea that both my friend and I thought up, and I think I can safely speak for my friend as well when I say that it would be a dream for us if we were able to pull it off. We moulded our import system after the iTunes Store, offering single episodes for US$1.99. That’s about SGD3 ba… and we think, for now at least, that that is a reasonable price. But whatever, these tiny things can be sorted out later.
Even though I said I am looking for abao, I am extending the invitation to anyone who feels passionate enough about this issue to join us. For starters we want to know how to go about obtaining licensing rights for anime series.
So abao, and anyone else who wishes to join in, please email me at wongrenhao@gmail.com. I’ll be waiting!
June 1st, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Oh ah holybell84… as for your first draft.
I dunno how to say this without sounding condescending. I know you are passionate about this article and indignant. We all are.
BUT, ST will never accept a letter containing your type of tone. If you want to see this staring back at you in a couple of days time in the Forum section, you will really have to bite your tongue, swallow a shitload, may I say, of humble pie, and write very very nicely and logically.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Yah I know ; ; Fansubs can’t be used for profit no matter what. Just ranting :X
Setting up a company locally to rival ODEX not that possible… even if have… also will be like many years from now…. only thing I can hope for and pray… is that ODEX can try to understand what their consumers (us) wants and needs and make some changes for the better. Not suing ppl and blaming everything to downloading cos nobody buying their craps… they should try to learn why their craps are so crappy and why nobody is buying…….. and listen to inputs.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:33 pm
@holybell84: Also, there’s a 400-word limit on Forum letters. =P I doubt there’ll be space to cover everything, so if you intend to send a letter out, make your points concise.
In addition, the fact remains that fansubbing, like it or not, is still illegal. Any concessions made to the practice are dependent on the goodwill of the people who can press charges. And while the points are valid, and have been echoed repeatedly by many members of the anime community, I sense a distinct lack of goodwill from The Powers That Be.
Good luck, but don’t get your hopes up too early.
And as a reference: 5parrowhawk’s page on a talk with Dr. Toh: http://haitaka.googlepages.com/home2
@Silverwolf X (OT): Not to nitpick, but there’s actually a historical precedent to the (mis)naming of the Pokemon characters in Pokespecial due to the original Gameboy games. The original Japanese games were Red and Green, and were crap in terms of quality. The upgraded Blue was subsequently released and used for the US Red and Blue, the first Pokemon games to be translated into English. That’s why the two guys, the original Japanese main characters, are named Red and Green in Pokespecial, but localised to Red and Blue for English-speaking audiences.
Not everything is Singapore’s fault. Almost everything, but not everything. =P
June 1st, 2007 at 5:49 pm
@holybell84: Your first draft is too long: 760 words. The word limit for articles to be published in the ST forum is 400 words.
Anyway, I just wanna say that I’m sick and tired of all the crap from ODEX just like everyone else here.
Singapore anime fans unite !!!!
June 1st, 2007 at 6:28 pm
damn, means that i have to summarise it.
June 1st, 2007 at 7:18 pm
BTW I just want to point out one thing at this point of time.
Based on my previous conversations with the CEO of Odex, I think the 42-inch comment that was published by Straits Times is a misunderstanding on the journalist’s part. Odex actually does focus-group comparisons using R2 (Japanese) DVDs with their own R3 DVDs. The video quality is actually on par, according to the people who did take part. (I was invited but I couldn’t find the time to go)
So the journalist must have misunderstood the whole thing. There’s no reason why Odex would comparing its products to fansubs since obviously fansubs suffer from compression issues and crappy video source.
Anyway, you cannot blame Odex for releasing VCDs. Casual viewers in Singapore and South-East Asia in general don’t give a damn about video qualities and VCDs are/were the de facto format. If Odex chose to release DVDs back when they started, they would have had a hard time finding mainstream stores (i.e. Poh Kim) willing to stock them. And obviously it’s unfair to compare VCD video quality (or lack thereof) to anything at all.
June 1st, 2007 at 7:33 pm
We should all send a copy of that letter to ST. That’ll make them talk.
Anyone in?
June 1st, 2007 at 7:34 pm
you might wanna take the “it’s free” out away, holybell, they will nitpick that out i can tell.
June 1st, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Their Monster subtitles are also strangely almost identical to Anime-Keep’s..
June 1st, 2007 at 8:24 pm
First I had like to say what I think about the warning letter or whatever stuff from odex. Sorry if I am ‘way-off’ from the topic if i have.
Initially I thought that downloading via bittorrent is safer because it comes from other country’s server, US for example, and thus will not be able to track down the ip address etc. Guess I was wrong afterall.
In my opinion, Odex right now is just like talking crap, all of a sudden tracking down people who download and banned/fined them saying about copyright stuff etc..
But still, people who download fansub anime is mainly because of the odex anime selection where there is just so less titles of them, not even enough for us to choose from.
My question is:
Since downloading from Bittorrent is not an option now, is there still a chance to download via IRC xdcc or ddl? Is the chances to be caught higher than through downloading from bt?
June 1st, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Blame the advanced technology we had now, which results in anime shows that can be fansubbed by anyone who is doing that. Can’t blame those who is downloading them.
People now is of a different genetration of the past. Now, technolgy is running people, which causes people to drive them.
Blame the technolgy and not on the people that download them.