Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




June 1st, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Youtube.
I can see that you like Haruchi a lot too.
June 1st, 2007 at 8:56 pm
@ someone out there, I don’t remember who.
If someone is willing to record/take pictures of GSD on KC tomorrow, I can screencap some scenes from the fansubs to compare the subs.
Anyway, I do hope there’s some errors in the article, because the “perception problem” annoyed me and I’ve never heard of this 3 DVDs for $9.90 promotion.
Also Odex, I might buy your DVDs if you get rid of the Mandarin track and stick in US English ones. :D Because honestly, who actually watches your DVDs/VCDs with the Mandarin track?
June 1st, 2007 at 9:00 pm
Looking at everything here, I don’t know if I should laugh or cry. The whole issue had been so overblown that it had appeared in the Straits Times. Sucks to be flamed for this but I’m gonna say it.
Fansubs, like it or not, are technically infringement of copyright laws, suck thumb and accept that. Crackdowns did not stop mp3 downloading, I highly doubt it will stop fansub downloading but for this conflict with ODEX, in layman terms, we punched first. AVPAS has the law on their side and if we insist on maintaining our stand, all we can do is lie low for now.
On the other hand, I would advocate engagement with them instead. Organize a forum or something or get one of the local anime clubs with contacts to do it. Then just go with all your evidence/ counter-evidence and slug it out in civilized debate. Finally come to an agreement with each other and correct this ‘perception problem’. If nothing comes out of it, the more ammo for us to blame ODEX for not listening to the fans. It is time we take the initiative rather than just react with blind fury to every letter received.
This could actually benefit both sides rather than handing each other indirect punches and ruining Singapore’s reputation in the international anime community. They get their business with our input and we get what we want.
June 1st, 2007 at 9:02 pm
DDL has a lesser change of being caught. since the time taken is short unless the ISP will to check the log.
June 1st, 2007 at 9:11 pm
so how about downloading from irc, the xdcc bot? Does it also has a lesser chance of being caught?
June 1st, 2007 at 9:14 pm
I would suggest Odex do a survey. What are the titles we want? What are the extras we want? How much are we willing to pay?
I mean, before you start a business, shouldn’t you do a survey to check on your market etc?
June 1st, 2007 at 9:24 pm
i not quite sure for xdcc, heard from my friend that they seem to be catching also.
June 1st, 2007 at 9:30 pm
from what i know is that dling zipped anime show is quite safe. since isp/odex cant see what is inside the file. However odex still can find base on the name of the anime you are dling. .rar file seem safe for now.
June 1st, 2007 at 9:32 pm
I see. I thought it will also be the same as ddl. Thanks for the info
June 1st, 2007 at 10:34 pm
Reference to concerned’s posts, it’s true that ODEX used to sell pirated stuff. I remember going to their shop at SLS quite often when I was younger, and boy the stuff they sell sure are “original” bootlegs.
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New DomainJune 1st, 2007 at 11:09 pm
Anime-Downloaders: Beware…
I saw this today in Straits Times and reported on a blog by a fellow Singaporean: ODEX is seeking legal action against those who download anime.
From a scan of the letter posted at the blog, it was evident that bittorrent was the source of the evidence…
June 1st, 2007 at 11:55 pm
i only just saw the article on ST and immediately stopped all my BT after reading through all these posts. =( hopefully i don’t receive any shit letters in the next few days/weeks. i wonder if anyone can guide me to buying good anime (accurate subtitle, on dvd). where can i get them? i still need my dosage of anime!!!
June 2nd, 2007 at 12:04 am
hmmm…. will shorten the letter I intend to send to ST and post it here b4 i send it out for real.
June 2nd, 2007 at 12:14 am
B4 we send any letters, pls read sparrowhawk’s interview.
June 2nd, 2007 at 12:30 am
we can always watch animax…(dies at dub)