Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




June 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 am
Actually I don’t think ODEX gets much profits from selling anime. Their primary source of income is more likely from small scale productions which are outsourced to them from other distributors.
If that’s the case, then they have nothing to lose if everybody here in sg boycotts their sales. They’re probably earning more by claiming damages from illegal downloaders.
June 2nd, 2007 at 12:42 am
“They’re probably earning more by claiming damages from illegal downloaders.”
Jesus Christ, that’s alarming indeed if that’s true, a more lucrative business strategy indeed, LOL.
June 2nd, 2007 at 12:58 am
ya, did my own snipping here and there and after reading sparrowhawks own article, here is the second and final draft.
Dear editor,
I am writing in response to the article ‘Getting Anime Illegally Online? Beware.’ posted in the papers on 1st June.
After doing some research on the local anime community, I would like to point out why most anime fans download fansubs:
- Despite the moderate size of the anime library in Singapore, most of them are in VCD formats, which provide lower resolutions than fansubs. Quite a number of fans prefer DVD quality animes
- The library of anime is no updated frequently with new titles. Titles in Singapore are released after a relatively long period from airing in Japan.
- Some anime titles have so much parts cut out from them that the ‘ flow of watching is disrupted’.
- Grammatical and other errors present in the subtitles.
- The DVDs are lacking in extras, which will make watching more fun.
- There is a lack of advertising for the anime titles that are to be released, hence barely anyone will know about them at first.
- Animes shown on TV ( Arts Central) tend to have repeated broadcast.
All the above mentioned factors contribute to the large number of illegal downloads of animein Singapore. But however, the situation can be improved if the animes released legally in Singapore are more ‘friendly’ by interacting with more anime fans, doing surveys and examining other companies like Bandai in America for example.
June 2nd, 2007 at 12:59 am
Just a question. Are they claiming damages or threatening legal action for copyright infringement? I’m no lawyer but I think damages can be claimed only if they prove that there are damages involved. What I mean is can they claim damages for an anime which they haven’t released?
June 2nd, 2007 at 1:02 am
“The DVDs are lacking in extras, which will make watching more fun.”
Exactly how my friend and I feel. Licensed DVD releases should have more incentives for people to buy. They shouldn’t just punish those who do wrong, but should reward those who do what’s right. But at the current look of things, I’m not only not rewarded but maybe even “punished” (with low quality products) for being a good citizen.
Maybe you could include this in your letter.
June 2nd, 2007 at 1:13 am
Thanks to hollybell84 for leading the way with his first draft letter to the forum page. I’ve been inspired by him to write another letter, in part helped along by some of the points he has mentioned in his letter.
Unfortunately, I was not able to include all his points due to the word limit, but I’ve tried my best to cram in his most important points, as well as a few of my own.
Feel free to edit and comment on this. If people feel it is fine, I will mail it off Saturday night.
Also, I would like to get in touch with hollybell84 and others who will be writing letters, so that we can split all our points over seperate letters. My email is bakavic(atto)gmail{dddoott}comm.
June 2nd, 2007 at 1:16 am
@Anonymous:
I don’t really like this whole part of the whole letter from Odex. Its intentions are really unclear.
Seeing as we’ve heard stories of the first victim trying to settle for an out of court payment instead of immediately pressing legal action first, which is almost always the case, for most cases I’ve heard of. Pardon me if I am wrong but I do believe that an affidavit is filed first, and the case is then dropped if an out of court settlement is reached.
At this point, I don’t see them being any better than the bastards from RIAA, thinking they’re above the law and such, even though they may be backed by a statutory board.
June 2nd, 2007 at 1:19 am
They have everything to lose if a large-scale boycott is going on.
A licensee of any given franchise, has obligation to meet minimum sale quota in order to them to maintain their right to franchise. Their licensing agreement will be in deep sh*t if the sale was severely below target. Master franchisee may forgo the agreement and give the rights to another party who may be able do a better job.
Quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odex
“Of important note is that Odex apparently has the legal right to use legal action against people downloading anime fansubs of series that they do not sell, as long as they are produced by the Japanese companies that they represent”
Looks like they might have found a new business model. Anybody remember SCO Unix who survive by suing every other linux distro out there? This has the same saga written all over…
June 2nd, 2007 at 1:26 am
Sorry, I’m kind of new to the anime scene and that means I’m obviously much more pissed than any of you guys who have loads of anime to fall back on. However, just to alert anyone who still has ANY doubts on the SAFETY of TORRENTS, it is that a dynamic or static ip address does NOT matter. A dynamic ip address is as unsafe as a static ip address in this case as we see it is a matter of finding out the EXACT USER at a particular time using the ip address at that time. This can (technically only) be found by asking the relevant ISPs *coughs s****** coughs*. All they’d need would be an ip address at a particular time. Whether or not your ip address changes would be of NO ISSUE to them and you would STILL BE FOUND OUT unless the ISP doesn’t reveal your identity or check out your downloads for the people who requested *coughs o*** coughs* Sorry for the CAPS, its to make sure any of my innocent fellows get the main point and stop their downloads if they find it dangerous.
June 2nd, 2007 at 1:31 am
to those who are writing in to the ST forums thing: Good luck.. The rest, wait in peace.
June 2nd, 2007 at 1:32 am
@jetable:
I think you’re missing the whole point of the discussion here.
Its true that Odex DOES have the right to exercise legal action by punishing downloaders, and I DO feel that this poor idiot, who downloaded 3 pages worth of episodes deserves to be punished. I think most people here do agree with me here.
What I do believe, most people here think is that, Odex, having ‘monopolised’ the have done nothing in the years to please anime fans. The bad rapport with fans with nonexistant communication, low, quality products and impatient fans. We’re just criticising Odex, because they deserve to be.
June 2nd, 2007 at 1:34 am
They did not represnt kyoto animation? So does that mean more Seifuku?
June 2nd, 2007 at 1:37 am
I find it weird that KyoAni, with its famous anime release, is not looped in…..
June 2nd, 2007 at 1:44 am
Kyoto animation is a small company, and they do very few animes per year. Furthermore, with Odex not in good shape financially, I seriously doubt that they could afford to pay for licenses for FMP, Haruhi, Lucky Star, etc…
June 2nd, 2007 at 1:47 am
@bakavic: A cursory look, but it’s “perception” and “plethora”.
And this is purely my opinion, but I feel that the talk of extras with DVDs shouldn’t be the main priority. After all, the possible counter to this point would be “no profits, therefore no funds for extras”. Instead, my biggest beef is with quality control. Decent fansub groups provide quality subtitles for free: my Odex G Gundam VCDs are barely coherent on sets 2 and 4, and I dished out good money for that. The best part is, THOSE CAME WITH THE ENGLISH DUB! Was it that hard to piece something together that actually made a little sense? (I’d like to digress a little, but to me, Odex’s overall subbing record is more irregular than uniformly bad: their Witch Hunter Robin subs were good, but some of the others…) Which brings me to the next point…
@Christopher, ethreal and all those who’ve volunteered comparisons:
We shouldn’t judge by their earliest releases, since I seem to recall that Odex admitted a goof over quality control (at least where subs were concerned). GSD seems like a good choice: it’s fairly new, and it can be checked against fansub groups’ releases (esp. regarding allegations of plagarism) - if the KC one still shows with the English subtitles left on. Plus I’m sure somebody’s on the web’s ordered the R1s, right?