Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




June 2nd, 2007 at 2:08 am
@negativezero:
I am just stating to post#180, the implication if ppl were to boycott a franchised product. Nothing more.
In US, companies spend millions of marketing dollars to learn from customers how well/bad they are doing so that they can do round the clock improvement. This is probably the best time for a company like od*x to collect genuie feedbacks from community at large, without spending a dime. If after all these big kahuna, all the issues are never addressed whatsoever, I can only deemed the company hopeless beyond hope.
June 2nd, 2007 at 9:32 am
“But however, the situation can be improved if the animes released legally in Singapore are more ‘friendly’ by interacting with more anime fans, doing surveys and examining other companies like Bandai in America for example.”
holybell84 do you mean to say the releaser? ODEX?
June 2nd, 2007 at 9:47 am
@jetable:
then this is another point where odex again takes the fall.
assuming, that IF(and this is a very BIG IF) odex DOES listen to whatever the fans want, and does improve on their PR, DVD quality, etc… I would dare say that most hardcore fans would give them a second chance.
however, i still do have a feeling that, the occasional watcher, would still be left out. after buying their first set from odex and subsequently losing confidence in them. i can hardly believe that the company is able to pull back, its majority of anime watchers, the mainstream people.
June 2nd, 2007 at 12:27 pm
@Farinelli
Yeah, Odex, since they were the one on the article.
June 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 pm
A picture speaks a thousand words:
http://img469.imageshack.us/my.php?image=animepricelesskn0.jpg
June 2nd, 2007 at 3:26 pm
@kitsura;
There’s some things money can buy
For everything else, there’s ODEX.
June 2nd, 2007 at 3:42 pm
Just boycott Od** products….We all deserve our free fansubs….
June 2nd, 2007 at 3:52 pm
I am an anime fan currently serving my nation.
Overall, I feel that your article will have a positive effect on the anime scene in Singapore. It will shock those who do not know much about the fansubs they are downloading to abandon them and buy the stuff ODEX is selling….
June 2nd, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Well said Mina~san!~! It is sad that laws is always on the corporation side we citizens have nil says when it comes to politics & such where in sweden the laws protect the citizens form corporation. After so many spectacular news in recent sg history, eg, nkf scandal, REMUNERATION INCREMENT for OUR FIRST CLASS GOVERNMENT we had to deal & live on with & shit like what odex is doing right now with full government support & things are obviously out of hand. When is our paycheck going to rise? What rights do they have to call ppls who download fansub pirates when he/she did not distribute the DM for personal benefit. All we want is to watch our fav animes with peace & some of us even spent gods know how much money in buying their fav animes merchandise or series. Pirating is illegal & evil as all of us knows but what’s more evil is ppls who ABUSE the word PIRATE for the sake of their survival or benefit. what Silverwolf X said was right on jackpot we shall not be suppressed by odex & its monopolizing scheme! Talking about first class service when we don’t even get it from what odex has to offer. Lousy sub & poor quality video u name it they have it! No fan service where we get alot from those popular fansub everything even the sub itself making the entire anime a piece of master arts. The best of all if grammatical and other errors are peppered in the subtitles you dont even get to change to a new disc with the correct sub in it where else fansub they will release a v2 of it. In other foreign countries the consumers will have already sue the company till it bankrupt or demand a full refund! My 2cents.
June 2nd, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Don’t know if we’re still discussing the legitimacy of AVPAS, but anyway;
http://whois.domaintools.com/avpas.com.sg
Domain Name: avpas.com.sg
Creation Date: 21-04-2007 09:04:19
Expiration Date: 21-04-2008 09:04:19
Domain Status: Active
If this source is accurate, that means that this site, avpas’s website, is created to only and specifically combat this saga?
June 2nd, 2007 at 5:04 pm
wow, “I emailed Chua Hian Hou”…
that article is very well written, but it’s a tad harsh, your words could almost be labelled as threaten, but oh well. they did piss us off. and it’s obvious how the news obviously made no effort to defend our side.
June 2nd, 2007 at 5:17 pm
lol it is NOT well written… but I hope that after I’ve taken the first step, those with a better grasp of the situation will pluck up some courage.
And yes IM PISSED… and I was inside the dumb camp when the news got out so I didn’t see it.
Oh yea… why write to the forum page when they can easily reject your letter. Its far better to terrorise a journalist. keke.
June 2nd, 2007 at 5:23 pm
*cough*hollybell84*cough*
at least they will take more time to write better articles. Think twice first ya noes, instead of LIENG.
Of course if your letter gets published in the forum, that’s great! But the forum is like way back behind in the paper. Quite frankly I don’t read that part often.
Lets juz nuke teh inbox its more fun and effective.
June 2nd, 2007 at 5:26 pm
It’s heartening to see more people joining to mail the mass media about this issue. This makes for 3 publically known letters being sent : holybell84, dKiWi, and me. I hope more will join soon.
@Anon: Thanks for clarifying the issue about subtitle quality - I have only seen one or two Odex VCDs, and hearing more from the community, and have only seen those with substandard subs. Interesting to know that Odex could produce work of passable quality at some point.
About the DVD extras issue, I guess you’re right, we should get subtitles fixed first, before getting overexcited with the smaller things. But I’ll still leave the part about the ADV DVDs in, to show what constitutes a good DVD release.
The spelling errors were shameful lol - dunno why firefox’s spellcheck feature doesn’t work in the comment box…
I have also read through the Sparrowhawk’s interview. It is interesting to know that the president of AVPAS/Odex knows about the implications of the whole saga, and is considering alternatives.
However, until he comes out publicly, and lays down what Odex is/will be doing in stone, many fans, both online and offline, will be left with no legal alternative for good subbed anime. Thus the need for all our letters.
Over the last 3 days, many bloggers have also written at least an entry or two about what Odex should do, some with intricate amounts of detail an reasoning. Hopefully the reporter will pick up on them via links provided in dKiWi’s email.
Odex/AVPAS, we know you need to earn a living too. And some of us are willing to give you a chance to prove yourself. However, many have already decided to go against you, and their numbers are growing rapidly each day. Explain your actions, and lay out your plans.
Below is my final draft. I will mail it off tonight if I everyone feels it’s fine.
June 2nd, 2007 at 5:30 pm
how about posting that in the forum AND the journalist account?
but anyway, has anyone posted in the forums yet? I can grasp the address, someone linking me to the forum talking about this, if there is any would be much appreciated.