Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




June 3rd, 2007 at 11:33 am
Quoting ‘I Am Not Fooled’ :
“Those of you casual anime fans, who keep using excuses like helping Singapore become an animation hub, sub-quality ODEX anime releases, please kindly stop your rant, and stop moulding these excuses for your own personal benefits.”
I wonder very much if sub-quality ODEX anime releases can be constituted as an excuse. Have you actually bought or viewed any of their releases ? Simply drop by any shop offering their discs (ex. Comics Connection) and browse through their titles. Even the synopsis for most of them contain spelling and grammatical errors, not to mention the subtitles and certain translation mistakes for the ODEX series which I’ve viewed. Sometimes, it’s almost as if they believe that no one else besides them have any knowledge of the Japanese language and thus, translations do not have to be accurate.
Certainly, this does not justify illegal downloads. However, rather than an excuse, it is a point very much worth taking into consideration should ODEX ever plan to be something more than a purely business venture focused on releasing sub-quality products.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:55 am
@Yoshi: Yes I do see the common problem that everyone notices. However we as consumers must understand that we do need to let Odex have a chance to redeem themselves. As you pointed out, they haven’t been thinking from our point of view. But we ought to give them a chance to do so, especially at this turning point. If we don’t give them the turning point now, things can only get more ugly. As we can see here, most of us are just being hostile or dissatisfied with them without giving them the benefit of doubt for the time being.
@I am not fooled: I thank you kindly for providing all these information to us, probably (hopefully?) will stop people from ranting too much. But just that you could have put it across slightly more polite. Yes, I do feel the same way as you regarding certain issues.
Oh and just for the sake of someone, forgot who (sorry), further up in the discussion, I found that it is totally ok to download something of which you already possess a copy of so technically if you have bought english fansubbed anime series, you can download these. Technically of course.
@Kouji: As I said earlier, we need to actually give them a chance. What happened in the past may not happen now. The rules are changing. You might as well be saying that in the past there were racial riots in Singapore and so we ought not to have different races in Singapore as it will lead to racial riots all over again. And shooting them down in this discussion is of no use as they seemingly don’t use the net. I mean look at their webpage.
In summary: yes, I agree with everyone that changes have to be made but to the community at large, let us give them the time necessary to sort out the paperwork and all that. What is probably (hopefully the case) happening now is that they are overwhelmed by the suggestions and flames. What they did in the past doesn’t matter anymore.If we do want a situation where NEITHER of us loses out, we have to give them, and ourselves, time for changes to be made so that there is a smooth transition instead of some ugly scene leading to the “death of the anime scene in Singapore”.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:56 am
@I am not fooled
“In ‘NS context’, for those unable to digest, it was a privilege, not an entitlement.”
Its true but don’t you think our privilege are getting lesser?
“That doesn’t mean I am not sore. I am pissed, irritated, frustrated and a whole list of other emotions that I will spare you the agony of having to read. However, I am mature enough to appreciate the fact that till now, a letter addressed to my innocent father, who has completely no idea of what an anime constitutes, has not been sent out.”
Same sentimental!
“or be like the many dozens out there including me, stop altogether, wait for coast to clear before popping out of our tiny holes in the ground. And frankly speaking, your rant looks like a tiny little crying kid who just got his pacifier taken away forcefully, and it hurts my eyes.”
Taking cover liao!
I think many of us are still hot in the head that we have our privileges strip away. Like @Komiker had said it is better to have a win-win situation we anime fans aren’t unreasonable lots that just download animes for their benefits but one things i know for sure before odex emerge into the market animes was free for everyone to watch & enjoy much of this hasn’t been change until now. Odex needs to know that if they want to clinch the sg market they need to put in alots of effort & i really mean ALOTs of EFFORT in their products and not just going around sending letters to every anime downloaders. If odex package its contents in dvd(not 1 eps or 5 eps per dvd & enviromental friendly use less plastic) and retain the jap dub along with accurate & informative english sub with nice typesetting(like fansub) i wont mind forking out moneys to buy for collections like the other OVA(having a hard time finding eng sub) i brought from video shops. Enforcing laws to stop ppls from downloading isn’t the best solution to solve this problems as this workaround will only deepen the scar between odex & sg anime fans together along with fellow international anime fans. If those jap studio deem sg has a small anime fan base & not giving the privilege of special contents to sg(odex) then odex should have concentrate on improving the quality of the contents thus improving the grow of sales & fans in sg so that they can have something to use to fight for the rights of special contents from the jap anime studio. Odex also needs to diligently update its websites to provide more info on current release & future release as well as having a forum in its websites for feedback & discussion so they can know which title are popular & are sought after in local anime community. Sorry for the previous post was abit annoyed & irritated. I will still buy my fav anime from odex if the above conditions are met.
June 3rd, 2007 at 12:02 pm
… Owned?
June 3rd, 2007 at 12:11 pm
@xXMikotoNakadaiXx “… Owned?” Not exactly. They aren’t a very active company but a passive one thats why things end up in this way.
June 3rd, 2007 at 12:14 pm
God, I’m considering locking the comments for this post.
This is getting kind of old. D:
June 3rd, 2007 at 12:29 pm
I’m pretty sure the righteous ones who have been saying that we rant like kids after anime is taken away from us is mistaking us with the “other kind of anime fans” in singapore.
I just made myself broke preordering figures in treasureland a few days ago. and i intend to spend more on them in the future. i see no reason as to why i would feel that odex sucks because they took away something free from me. The only fact that i am pissed is because of how i feel odex seems to be treating us consumers like pests just because they have monopolise the anime industry, thus their “take it or leave it” attitude. And now that we chose to “leave it” they start extorting money from us saying we refuse to support them.
But then again, pop by local forums on this issue, we will see our more singlish based anime family who said stuff like: “wa lau, knn, i wanna watch bleach and naruto lor, gahmen always like tt one. I think i wont care la, wth, ban everything, like tat where got pirated?!” If this is the kind of comments that pisses you off, then please screw them.
I mean, hell. before you say anything about going to their faces and speak up, when haitaka propose to talk to the pres of avpas, how many of the ones flaming us now actually said something? Well i did, haitaka requested a list of anime that was released in odex and those that werent to be marked from the list. And also gave him some stuff on my idea of buying the copyright directly in a sense of buying the anime vcd WITHOUT the vcd, just the rights, so we get to dl what we want.
I’ll admit that i cannot financially support my hobby if i have to online shop for new dvds everytime unlike you rich bloggers. so i would rather Odex pick up and improve so i can rely on them. While wishing that odex might close up is in everyone hearts, i WISH that a new competitor will emerge, it would serve as a wake up call for them that they arent in total control anymore.
June 3rd, 2007 at 1:09 pm
@ I am not fooled
True, there are ways of supporting the Japanese Companies with legal anime release. BUT did u actually consider that the no. of fans who truely love to use these means but are unable due to for example, lack of funds?
June 3rd, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Sounds like a golden entrepreneur opportunity to start a company with high quality there.
June 3rd, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Why, DM? You’ve scored yet another drama! Drama Queen strikes back.
June 3rd, 2007 at 2:06 pm
1) Look carefully, the gist of my thread was specially targetted at those childish casual fans who have never bought any anime products but are self righteous about not having their free anime.
2) I am a more of a casual anime fan, like those I pointed out in point (1). What I am trying to say is, be thankful you have not been served with those ‘cease and desist’ letters, and not ranting.
If you are that desperate, take the risk and carry on downloading. Otherwise just lie low, and wait for either ODEX to burst, or just get a new hobby. And thank your lucky stars that you haven’t been served that letter.
2) I am not rich, and was and is not a elite currently. But I have bought several anime series with my own allowances, and a very limited quantity of anime merchandise.
4) ODEX sucks - that much we agreed on…
June 3rd, 2007 at 2:45 pm
@hitoshura;
Do you have an MSN Messenger account? I wish to add you. You mind forwarding your email address to sleepingkouji@gmail.com?
No, that’s just my auxiliary account.
June 3rd, 2007 at 3:03 pm
Well, let’s take the chance before DM locks up. :D
While I am in NO WAY placing any blame on those who feel they cannot afford merchandise at all, and have it in their minds to do so when they are older with income to support their hobby, I just think that it is a choice.
I can’t say I’ve been very supportive of the DVDs, but I’ve saved for a couple of figurines. I mean I was just fascinated by them (hey it was the first time Ichigo’s bankai form came out), and it was not like “Oh look. Bleach figurine. I shall buy it to support the people who have worked so hard! Otsukaresama-deshita! GAMBATTE!”
Still, however small, let’s just make it a point to be less calculating about spending on items related to our hobby, especially those involving production. Not just anime - other TV shows, music, games, applications, etc.
Because what so many people who commented here said is true, however harshly or nicely they put it:
We’re angry, we’re pissed, we’re frustrated, but we gotta accept that barking screaming and whining just doesn’t work. Not in Singapore. If we’re all that serious about it let’s chill and take proper action. And a shoutout to those who have sent or will send letters to ST. Whether that will work or not is another issue la. If it doesn’t, hey guys! People don’t label us as “the Singaporean anime community” for nothing. We can always come together somehow and work something else out. That’s what the Net is for.
Incidentally, if anyone has ANY information at all about the licensing process, please enlighten me at wongrenhao@gmail.com. Doesn’t matter whether you think/know it will work or not.
June 3rd, 2007 at 5:09 pm
lock it!! this thread has become a breeding ground of future hikikomoris who keep pressing f5 in front of their computers just to see who has made new comments..
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:14 pm
http://singapore.gnu.googlepages.com/press