Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




June 5th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
Hmmm, I wonder if anyone will actually write and published on ST forum. but i pretty much will think new paper will actually publish such stuff. if there is a lot of things to substantiate what you are giving them. There is no reason to actually strike a fire, (how amazing a gold tap can strike off just a big story)
But then again, it takes a damn pissed off person to look for the info and the details to give them a good story.
P.S. Fu *dex
June 6th, 2007 at 12:01 am
@ konaha: lol prob is, gold tap informant iznt committing a crime. doubt any of us can sae she/he has nv dl-ed b4. Nt exactly, guiltless, as sum wld sae ahaha
June 6th, 2007 at 1:34 am
Essentially, downloading copyrighted content, which in this case would anime, is just illegal.
While fansubs do serve the purpose of “advertising” and “testing the waters” , at the end of the day they are well, illegal.
If Odex wants to sue, then they are well within their rights to do so.
I mean, at the end of the day, they paid good money for their licenses didn’t they?
June 6th, 2007 at 4:04 am
I just wander if PeerGuardian is good enough to block Odex.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:05 am
Guys, I would like to ask you all an interesting question. How many of you have got ‘Remote Assistance’ enabled on ur cpus? (Under the control panel.
@Anoymous
They might be within their legal right, but so are we entitled to our already limited rights of privacy. This is no difference from survelliance watching you 24/7, or tapping your phone lines.
It is one thing to do it against terrorist, or mafia like personnel who plots the take the country down, but to do it against the lesser common person who just wishes to be left alone and for his own private consumption is another matter.
Who knows to what extent they will go to catch people next time, even if it was for a minor dismeanour?
Lets see how you like it, if you have some “Eye” watching you do every single little thing on the internet. Every little keystroke you press, every single link you type… … .
This country’s citizens are already suppressed in many ways as it is. To twist their arms further by stepping on whatever paltry privacy rights they still possess, is one thing over the edge.
I am considering asking a friend to check who have been accessing my cpus remotedly, regardless.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:26 am
@ Anonymous 318: Sorry if I missed out any updates within the law sections, but I do recall there is a loophole that downloaders like us exploit. I believe someone made mention of it somewhere above. Think I did mention it in passing too, sorry if i missed it out
June 6th, 2007 at 10:30 am
Original email:
http://ckwiz.blogspot.com/2007/06/i-emailed-straits-times-journalist.html
hello Kian Wee.
lots of stuff. Wanted to highlight a few points:
“If ODEX becomes bankrupt, you will share some responsibility for your actions.”
“foreigners are getting a bad impression of Singapore from this crackdown.”
you seem to believe I have an interest in how well/badly Odex is doing, or an agenda to make Singapore look good.
The truth is: not really.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:43 am
N btw we shud keep hitting him w emails, I think we got him interested. Yay.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:45 am
oh and if u have the balls pls use your name. Then he’ll take you more seriously.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Online%2BStory/STIStory_126225.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Online%2BStory/STIStory_126252.html
http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Online%2BStory/STIStory_126253.html
This and this and this?
What happened if you think a lot more people send similar letters?
June 6th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
@dKiWi
ya, me using my real name when I will be sending my mail, no point sending in as holybell84.
Something out of topic: u CPL liao? Think u can smell ur ORD date lo :D
June 6th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Long way to go… MINDEF MPs get promoted to CPL very quickly. And I’m also aiming for Coporal First Class first.
btw, for those interested in subsequent interactions with this guy, I’m posting exclusively in the CY forum. Chuang Yi is Singapore’s local manga licensor btw.
http://www.chuangyi.com.sg/board/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1181135359
I find it ironic that even though Chuang Yi is giving us extremely good quality manga, not that many fans are talking in their forums.
If more people make noise about titles they want, CY will take them more seriously. I’m sure alot of us want sola, so uh lets push for sola!!!:
http://www.chuangyi.com.sg/board/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1179734200/0#0
June 6th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
ChuangYi >>> ODEX
June 6th, 2007 at 10:17 pm
What loophole?
Oh yes, I do buy a lot of manga from Chuang Yi, but nothing from Odex.
Chuang Yi >>> Odex
June 6th, 2007 at 10:23 pm
i said something abt ChuangYi but DM is still moderating my comment lolz.