Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




June 7th, 2007 at 12:12 am
Amen to that, ChuangYi’s mangas have resonable translation. I tend to get their books even if their book quality is a little off ( Turns yellow pretty fast”)
But, I find that they at least bother to do promotions. What manga they don’t bring in, i just have to relay on Taiwan’s imports.
June 7th, 2007 at 1:20 am
http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Online%2BStory/STIStory_126252.html
This is darkmirage’s letter to the ST forum, and I am glad they published it on their website. I don’t know how to use quote tags XD
Japanese anime: A fan speaks up
I REFER to the article, ‘Getting anime illegally online? Beware’ (ST, June 1).
I maintain a blog on Japanese anime and pop culture that is read by many Singaporean and overseas anime fans.
I believe that our fan community is being severely misrepresented by the article in question and I ask for a chance to let us, the anime fans, give our side of the story which the article unfortunately neglected.
It is no understatement to say that fansubs are the foundations of the entire anime community in Singapore.
Fansubs and word-of-mouth created the popularity that anime enjoys today.
Some people see it as nothing but piracy, but I disagree.
There are hundreds of anime series being aired in Japan and only a very minute fraction of it become commercially successful enough to garner interest from foreign companies.
The rest of them never stood a chance of making it abroad.
Fansubs changed that. Some of the most popular shows today were made famous by digital fansubs, or online piracy as some would call it.
They went on to become international hits. It is no coincidence that the popularity of anime increased exponentially all over the world in recent years just as file-sharing and broadband technology matured.
I have personally spent thousands on anime DVDs and soundtracks. I know that I, along with all my friends in the community, would not have spent a single cent on anime if we had not come to know of it through illegal fansubs.
I hope the irony is not unnoticed. And yet even those of us who are willing to spend nearly $100 to import a R2 DVD from Japan refuse to pay $9.90 for a locally-made R3 DVD of the same anime title. I wonder if it is truly just a simple matter of digital piracy at work here?
One more episode downloaded does not equate to one less DVD sold. It is just not that simple.
Jiang Chang Xing
June 7th, 2007 at 7:54 am
Wow. That’s some powerful letter. GJ DM.
June 7th, 2007 at 11:09 am
I’ve read all 3 letters sent in, and I’m glad they’ve been published on the ST website, too. Although I do wonder if ODEX will ever read them.
I must admit however, that my first response to DM’s letter was shock :P
A 17 year old is able to spend thousands of dollars on anime?? I’m 18, currently hold a full-time job, and I still have to think twice about spending more than $30 on anything. Lol.
On another note, has anyone tried sending emails to ODEX? Their website is still down, but they’ve provided an email address: info@odex.com.sg
June 7th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
I’m sure he’s not the only one. If you like something a lot, money is not an issue… unless u really don’t have enough.
I also spent thousands of dollars on importing R2 dvds, mangas, Japanese PC games etc. But I also have a full time job. At least I don’t smoke and I stopped chionging a long time ago.
June 7th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
bardsmanship> Don’t believe everything you read on the internet. For me its basically no pic no talk.
June 7th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
“On another note, has anyone tried sending emails to ODEX? Their website is still down, but they’ve provided an email address: info@odex.com.sg”
I sent a downright flaming one to them after I read the news but in retrospect it was much too emotional to get my message across. I also made some false accusations XD.
http://forums.tertiaryessayist.com/index.php?topic=195.0
June 7th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Strange, I was sure I posted a comment about the Odex WIKI…maybe darkmirage moderated it? Well yeah I said that the Odex Wiki hotlinked to the letter.pdf that darkmirage put up. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odex
Hotlinking huh…
June 7th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
You got filtered by Akismet. I know about the Wiki article and I have nothing to do with it. I don’t really care about hotlinking.
June 7th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Just 1 word for ODEX. PeerGuardian2. Enough said, try obtaining someone’s IP address in BT when you can’t even connect to him.
June 7th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
@Farinelli : Although DM’s letter is the best factually (a really good job, short and to the point), I find the opinionated one from the non-anime fan the best :D
Its over here:
http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Online%2BStory/STIStory_126253.html
Even an outsider thinks that ODEX is going down the drain without even sampling their atrocity first hand.
Well ODEX,
GOOD JOB! (think Konata with Rena’s USODA face)
June 7th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
And how would that help?
You just can’t stop people from viewing your IP unless you seal yourself off, and then BT becomes pretty useless.
June 7th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
Eh why do you even need to connect to that person? You can just get the whole list of connected peers off the tracker itself…
June 8th, 2007 at 12:39 am
By the way, was anyone able to watch Arts Central tonight ? It was suppose to air the 3rd episode of Jigoku Shoujo. But of all other local broadcast channels, it didn’t show up. Starhub showed as it being closed…
This could only mean something pretty shitty…
June 8th, 2007 at 12:43 am
If anyone’s still interested in this, it’s SingNet’s Terms & Conditions that we should be looking at. Their Acceptable Use Policy states the following:-
5. SingNet co-operates fully with Singapore law and legal processes. SingNet respects Customer privacy rights and will not intentionally disclose Customer’s online communications or activities except to comply with court orders, subpoenas, statutes, regulations, or official governmental requests; in order to protect SingNet or its Customers from harm; or where necessary for the operation of the system. SingNet may occasionally and randomly monitor online communications only for mechanical or quality control checks.
Not much comfort in there.
There isn’t any privacy law in Singapore if I recall correctly. The best we have is a Model Data Protection Code for the Private Sector which is currently in consultation stage. It won’t have the force of law even if adopted, and will likely be voluntary.
@Ekard
3) If you meet them, and you are actually guilty.
If they do take the case to court and win it, well the payout to them would be much much higher than the 3.5k. Lawyers’ fees, etc. {Well I’m obviously not trying to scare you guys, I too would suffer…}
Not necessarily. In a civil suit, Odex must prove the quantum of its loss suffered – probably based on the number of infringing episodes the infringer has. Lawyers fees’ for starting a civil suit… say $2,000. Unless the average infringer has about $1000 to $1500 of infringing episodes, and assuming that most people settle with them, Odex may be profiting from this exercise. And lawyers’ letters definitely don’t cost $3000 each.
Also, isn’t copyright infringement covered by the Copyright Act and not the Penal Code? I *think*.