Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




June 8th, 2007 at 12:59 am
Scrap the part on arts central for being a outdated pos.
Does anyone on singnet feel a significant lag recently ?
June 8th, 2007 at 7:11 am
If i recall, ODEX…
1) …did not file a court order to obtain your information
2) …did not file for subpoena. If by subpoena you mean the same thing as court orders to summon information.
3) …is not a government body
4) Downloading anime is against a statue?
5) Regulations with what? The usage of internet?
June 8th, 2007 at 7:42 am
One day Singapore gov will ban bt, irc downloads. D:
June 8th, 2007 at 11:23 am
@winsonkoh , won’t ever happen with bt, some online games are using it to distribute their clients…
June 8th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
what happened to that guy now? i wanna know.
June 8th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Regarding privacy, from Starhub: “We may use your personal information for the purposes of: planning, provisioning and billing for services; managing bad debt and preventing fraud; facilitating interconnection and inter-operability between service providers; rendering assistance to law enforcement, governmental or regulatory agencies; or complying with any applicable laws or any order of court.”
Does this mean….
June 8th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
if anyone here be willing to actually call to singnet and starhub to check whether they are working with odex, things will be much clearer, coz so far we are only assuming so… and hopefully if we find out that they are not… we can question ODEX on medium they get the addresses from…
and of course the issue on privacy rights
June 8th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
@ h (345): Yup. I did mention that the particular “Intent to commit a felony” was from the Penal Code. Therefore it applies IF they are trying to sue you for attempting to download. That was a post with regard to the issue raised that it is not possible to sue someone for clicking on many downloads, even if downloads never ever completed. The Penal Code comes into play at this point as one can be sued for attempting to commit a felony.
Oh and if I forgot to mention, sorry, can’t be bothered to check if my posts did or didn’t mention, most of what I mentioned regarding the reluctance to sue was the trouble Odex would have to go to, that is really what keeps them from actually attempting to sue as at the moment (and hopefully forever).
June 8th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
@ h: sorry, saw that I wasn’t very clear. Yes, copyright infringement isn’t covered by the Penal Code.
@Anonymous (346): Yes, my other non-anime/jdorama torrents have been lagging like hell. If they can’t provide “Double the speed”, then don’t do it.
@ J (352): Well I do know from one of the forums that the guy DID call singnet, who claimed complete ignorance of how the information was obtained. However, you can’t always trust all the information you get in forums.
June 8th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
Hmm? Odex can be any person posing as a peer in BT, how would you know who to not connect to?
Ok, I do realise I may be making a stupid statement here because of a lack ok knowledge of BT, so feel free to correct me.
June 8th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
Ah crap, I read wrongly. Pardon my earlier message.
June 9th, 2007 at 1:42 am
Said it once elsewhere, will say it again here:
DO NOT USE SINGNET. Especially if you are an leecher.
Starhub is the lesser of the two evils.
Also, remember to use a good BT client and enable protocol encryption.
In addition, if you stick to downloading unlicensed anime from Animesuki or trackers like scarywater, you’ll be fine. The law shouldn’t touch you.
Finally learn to leech from irc. XDCC bots are great.
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PS: Moving to Japan (i.e choice #5) seems like a good idea. No prize guessing where those high quality raws came from. If you know Japanese, you won’t be watching subs and you’ll support the good anime (and benefit the creators and studio directly) by buying R2 DVDs. No money for the litigious bastards of anime subbing companies and distributors!
PPS: Off topic, but the Singapore government is best summarised as primarily a self-serving corporate police state siding with big businesses (the government IS a big business itself) with minimal regard to personal and civil liberties. You may or may not agree but I honestly think my observation is spot on. Plenty of Singapore-related political and social forums online if you want to discuss more about it.
June 9th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
But still. when using singnet, whether you download your anime (licensed/unlicensed) through xdcc or ddl, there is still a possibility that you will get caught right? since bt now is not an option.
Am i right to say that?
June 9th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
does this apply to mainly bleach?
what about other ‘lesser known’ licensed anime?
i’m not using singnet, thankfully.
June 9th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
R: Don’t bet on it.
salik: BT is not an option precisely because its easy to catch. Direct connection P2P like xdcc or DDL is harder.
hidarkmirage!: Could you elaborate on why using scarywater/Animesuki trackers are safe?