Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




May 30th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
Hey Odex, before you send letters to people for illegally downloading stuff, please give us an explanation as to why your subs for GSD is exactly the same as SEED Fansubs’. :/
May 30th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
@ethreal
Really, same as fansub? WTF man……. One of the few odex stuff i bought is Shakugan no Shana and they censored some stuff with their subtitles…. ya, like my jap is dumb enuff not being able to differentiate Oniisan and Master.
May 30th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Now thats a total shame! Of course, I do notice that those they provided are all US Licensed anime… but lets not open that envelope…
I wish you best of luck with going on. As a note, what was mentioned above about the Package Encryption sounds like a good idea…
http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Avoid_traffic_shaping
http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Message_Stream_Encryption
I will say it again, but best of luck!
May 30th, 2007 at 9:01 pm
The enforcement dept inform me that obex has obtain the court order from japan and it seem that those japanese anime company have gang up to catch all of us(anime downloader) from singapore..with the law order , the isp are authorized to reveal our address, all private information..and now we are getting this formal letter asking us to pay for damages……
oh great…i just paid mine…i will not touch internet again
May 30th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
So who here thinks this should go public? With all the leakage of infomation and all and I’d think the public as well as the anime communities would be very intrested in details on Odex’s staff
May 30th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
I’m migrating once I get enough money to rent an apartment. I’m not gonna do reservist for this shit. i don’t see a damn point in beinga willing citizen when the country or for the matter, a monopoly tries to dictate what we do. its not like we get anime aired on TV here, and most are the lame ones like pokemon, YuGiOh etc. As a student in the arts sector, I CANNOT stand censorship. Half the Anime I watch will be edited, censored or heck, banned for release.
Right now I’m resorting to R1 and R2 dvds, but NS life gives me enough money to lick my *censored*.
ODEX claims to have improved, their last few releases so far have made me puked. Horrible subtitling, crappy encoding, inaccurate translations, and no bother in even karaokeing the opening/endings. Heck, their subs for Gundam SEED Destiny are word for word from seed fansubs releases! WTF!? Their packaging is cheap and flimsy, compared to the casings on my R1 and R2s so far.
I’d rather move to the America or Japan. Sure, the chances of getting killed by a gun totting lunatic is higher in the states, but its alot better then living in a 2nd North Korea. I’d prolly have to put up with higher living expenses in Japan too if i choose that country, but at least the selection there is better and more ‘open’ then our budding North Korea V2.
Next they’ll ban taiwanese manga (because of censorship issues), then Japanese import manga and magazines, then they’ll not allow Japanese anime/game cg/illustration books, maybe Kinokuniya can close all its branches.
I hope the ice caps melt soon, then all ships will use the shorter northern sea route and Singapore can be reduced to its isolated control hell.
The reason I buy Anime in the first place was because I was introduced to it via fansubs. Now they’re trying to monitor it, oh yay. I’m definately gonna buy the dvds of Heroic Age, Lucky Star, Nanoha StrikerS, Shakugan S2. I’d however rather watch them first like every Japanese person with a TV in Japan does and see if I enjoy it.
At the rate they are going, they might as well ban internet. Everything we do on these days is illegal anyways. Downloading a picture itself is already a crime, criticizing politics is a crime, badmouthing key individuals is a crime. We can go back to the stone age and play with fire and club each other with wooden clubs at this rate. what joy. So much fun.
May 30th, 2007 at 9:12 pm
I think you are over-reacting. This is just a single company trying to maintain its rapidly-disappearing source of profit. It’s not some government conspiracy to deprive us of anime. I think Singapore as a country is still pretty okay.
And I’m hopeful that this will escalate to a point where the mainstream media gets involved and forces Odex to show its whole hand. As it currently is, individuals targeted by Odex are highly disadvantaged because they have access to no information other than what Odex claims to be true. That’s a very bad situation to negotiate a legal settlement in.
May 30th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
To Silverwolf X: You have pretty much covered what I feel now.
May 30th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
This is quite unbelievable. I thought this kind of stuff would only happen if you are in breach of national security or something like that. This issue is turning from bad to worse.
May 30th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Read on Hardware zone that they were planning to drop the lawsuit for a meagre 3.5k
The question I would ask is why so little when the total amount sueable would be way beyond that.
I’m thinking that Odex really doesn’t want to have this made public fr it would really bring up a lot of questions
May 30th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
Hmm.. I migrated from Malaysia to Singapore ( now a PR here) 9 years ago, now serving in the NS. Initially I never had a plan to go back, but now, I would have to reconsider.
May 30th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
Heh, I lived in South Africa for about 18 years then came here to do NS.
The anime community there is still growing, slow but growing and yet to hear this kind of news in a country in SG is really sad.
Having been to a reasonable number of gatherings and the like in various places, Odex really is screwing themselves over…
I feel a Boycott coming along…
May 30th, 2007 at 9:27 pm
@ Jimmy
…Now that sounds like bribing to me. Trying extort money now since they’re not doing so well?
May 30th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
I know DM, maybe I am, but I almost died in NS. Blame me for being hyper after a near death experience.
I have a huge collection of legit anime/game items, from books, dvds, magazines, figures heck even posters. All my own hard earned cash.
The sad fact is that alot of us still rely on fansubs for quality anime. heck, these days I go raw even, as my Jap improves. The problem is decent Anime will never air in Singapore because of censorship laws. I find it pointless.
ODEX knows full well why their profit is dropping. The way they treat the fanbase is disgusting. Their public relations is non-existant and they don’t even show for events. Now they show an ‘Upgrading-in-progress’ page for the past what… 2 weeks!? is their web designers and IT department being paid to sleep on the job?
Sure, they held a discussion, trying to appear sincere to the community, but thats just a front. Our gripes get no where. I agree on the part its hard to give good releases due to money issues, but look at every video store now and count all the ODEX released stuff in bargain bins.
I bought some of the VCDs to see for myself how bad the quality was, I say I just wasted 100 bucks. The subs were horrible and inaccurate, it doesn’t take a genius in Japanese to figure out how WRONG the ‘translation’ is.
I’ve given up on ODEX. I’ve preordered the R1 Haruhi, I look forward to it. At least I know I’d get something in a good package and no censorship.
I’m also not kidding about the other Japanese stuff getting controlled by censorship laws here. Most of you who get taiwanese or japanese manga will know what I’m pointing at. They’re next on the kill list, being an otaku in Singapore is not worth it and stressful.
I went toa doujin convention in Japan once, after that I almost didn’t want to come back to Singapore. Now I’m set, if things don’t improve here in the next few months when I ROD, I’m leaving.
May 30th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
@ ethreal
Frankly speaking, I think so too. Which is prolly why we haven’t seen anything public yet.