Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




May 31st, 2007 at 8:23 am
another solution is to move to Madagascar .
I lived there..i know..It’s PIRATES LAND !
sure your internet connection will be crappy , but nobody will go get you there..and…you won’t even have to download anything , just go to your local DVD store , they do that for you..everything , absolutely everything is pirated there and..for prices that will make you laugh .
Honestly , you have 200$ US , you are billionaire over there .
I do believe it’s the poorest country of the world .
May 31st, 2007 at 10:35 am
I’m migrating so I can obtain my stuff legally and cheaper (no shipping, yay) because I can and will have the means too.
Then I won’t have to care about copyright laws in the first place.
We’ve been looking for that silver lining for years. We found it in some form NOT Odex. Its called importing, of course its eating us financially, but its the next best thing at the moment.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:24 am
Disclaimer: All information here is conjectural.
1. It seems to me as though there are two forces at work in AVPAS, not one.
2. Odex may not be the driving force behind the recent action. Look for other hands and other motives. Also consider the fact that the recent action is creating a backlash. They’re not COMPLETELY stupid; they have to have realized that ahead of time. So why has it still happened?
3. Even if Odex is not the driving force behind the recent action, their only feasible option may well be to pretend that they are. Think about what other options they might have.
4. So who is the real “enemy”? I have a very rough idea of who they are, although public accusations (even on a blog) would probably just invite a lawsuit. And the answer isn’t pleasant at all. Of course, I could be wrong. I hope I’m wrong.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:33 pm
sparrowhawk didnt you talk to the you know who before?
I tot you said there was supposed to be good news… -_- looks like it’s still going as strong as ever.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:22 pm
“I was thinking of posting this in Stomp forum of straits times. but no oh well. being the very suppressed citizen of this fucking place. it’s safer not to do so cuz i dun want my ass whipped.”
Hitoshura-kun, why don’t you try it? Last semester the editor of STOMP gave a talk in my class. And it SEEMS (seems only ok fail don’t screw me over) that STOMP is refreshingly defiant to the usual level of (self-)censorship in the press here. Try your luck lor.
“My friend just called asking if I want to co rent a 3LDK in Japan suburbs, near a fast rail line. He’s rich, I’m saying yes. Few more months and I’m outta here!”
Silverwolf X, how lucky can you get??!!
“Boycotting will work in that ODEX will lose fan support and gain bad karma, but the hardcore make a minority, the averages masses will still buy ODEX’s stuff, simply because well, they don’t know any better, and next, they don’t have a choice, ODEX holds the monoply on local Anime distro rights.”
Don’t you think most of us are here already though? Anime watchers are from let’s say 12-30++. I’d say that “50% of these people are online reading something about this issue” would be a rather conservative estimate. We’ll probably stand a chance.
bakavic: NICE!
“The laws are not just outdated; they are biased towards the copyright holders.”
Mitsuki-kun, in fact copyright laws ARE outdated. And there are people trying to update it and change that fact. But on the other side of the room, there will always be greedy people exploiting these outdated laws.
“The thing is I don’t think anyone has any statistics on how much that don’t-buy-but-would percentage is and whether people actually will buy stuff because of fansub promotion.”
loltehnos: As raised by I think DM or someone here, such a hole only points to ODEX slacking off. This is simple research that will only cost ODEX abit of effort and money. And if they don’t even have money for this then wtf are they doing suing people?
“They’re not COMPLETELY stupid; they have to have realized that ahead of time.”
5parrowhawk: Heh. I’m not such a smartass to trigger-happily label people stupid. But case in point, look at the USNW issue. I tell you they’re one and all the same la.
May 31st, 2007 at 7:04 pm
Hmm, is it true that ODEX completely lifted the subs for Gundam Seed Destiny? It seems that they might well be downloading the fansubs for their own usage (not caring about the quality of the subs put on their VCDs), while noting down any SG IP addresses connected to the tracker in an attempt to get extra cash from individuals to stay alive.
Also, browsing through a bit according to the list on the letter, the Anime-Kraze torrents have minimal users, while the Dattebayo torrents have average amounts (only ~100). However, both Bleach and Inuyasha are well known titles, which ODEX might see as a greater impact on their (neglegible) sales.
So maybe ODEX is only focusing on the BT protocol (XDCC is safe, maybe?), and monitoring torrents of well-known titles.
But, if you really aren’t sure that downloading is safe, streaming video is always the alternative…
May 31st, 2007 at 7:12 pm
Let’s all go get a megaupload premium account for life and get anime from HTTP sources. W00tz.
But ouch, that’ll cost quite a lot. Oh wells, something to save up for. (:
May 31st, 2007 at 8:06 pm
wait, i tot Bleach is relesased by Poh Kim? Cos i did not see the Odex label on the VCD box
May 31st, 2007 at 8:52 pm
What I want to know, why isn’t this news in the paper?
Anyway, everytime I pass by a video shop these days, all I can do is laugh at the bargain piles.
In the meantime, certain stores we love to hang out in are bringing in R1 dvds in bulk. Yay.
May 31st, 2007 at 9:51 pm
@silverwolf X
eh which stores?
May 31st, 2007 at 10:14 pm
@ silverwolf X
do tell
May 31st, 2007 at 10:48 pm
“Let’s all go get a megaupload premium account for life and get anime from HTTP sources. W00tz.
But ouch, that’ll cost quite a lot. Oh wells, something to save up for. ”
but if you have dynamic IP address, just have to reconnect you internet connection, that’s what I do. I get a normal free account, then dl one, reconnect, dl the second one. And I find megaupload’s dl speed is faster than torrent, and more stable too.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:28 pm
Their Subs and dubs are sub-quality and they are STILL complaining why people download from internet rather than buying their product…..
In fact I think they are more concern about the profit they earn rather than their Customers.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:30 pm
we should start a company or lobby group and get animes straight to singapore without going through odex
May 31st, 2007 at 11:33 pm
@ abao
sounds like a plan