Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




May 31st, 2007 at 11:51 pm
I pity you guys. That would seriously sux if it were to happen here. gather up and start protesting on PRIVACY INVASION in Singapore !
Counter sue them. there has got to be someone in law that watches anime at home. :-D
June 1st, 2007 at 12:47 am
Hang on. Didn’t someone point out Japanese R2 DVDs with English subs? If so we can take up abao’s suggestion. That would be beneficial for us as well as a tight-slap to ODEX. ^^
June 1st, 2007 at 7:27 am
@SilverWolf X
Do tell. Me interested. Don’t tell me SunShine Plaza >_>
June 1st, 2007 at 7:33 am
@SilverwolfX (Comment 114)
It’s in the news _now_: ST, 02 Jun 2007, page H2.
As a casual anime watcher who’s been burnt by some bad Odex VCDs before, I like how their representative dismisses the differences between fansub and Odex quality as a “perception problem” (sorry, don’t have the actual article with me right now). *rolls eyes*
June 1st, 2007 at 8:28 am
EDIT: Sorry, it’s actually 01 Jun 2007. The TP stands for TyPo, not TelePathy. =P
(I apologise for any assumptions, generalisations and half-baked statements that I am about to make.)
Anyway, the statement about comparing fansubs versus Odex releases on a 42-inch TV (or whatever it was), taken on its own, doesn’t mean anything. They could have compared their releases with speed subs, which _tend_ to have poorer quality - at the expense of getting the episode out within days of the release. Subbers could easily use the same trick by comparing one of Odex’s worst works to that of a “quality” sub - the difference being that Odex has far more time to produce its results.
Of course, now that (whichever body it is) has come out on a limb and made those statements, it shouldn’t be too much trouble to compare one of Odex’s latest releases (let’s give them the benefit of the doubt) with a decent fansub, and if possible, an R1 release of the same title, although the last option is definitely more trouble than it’s worth. Then put the results up somewhere nice and public, so that people can see the differences for themselves, and make their own decisions.
Given the current climate, though, I doubt it’ll be feasible.
June 1st, 2007 at 9:02 am
Is the newpaper report very big??? or just a small section onli?
June 1st, 2007 at 9:16 am
It’s quite a big article, on page 2 of home.
Well done, Odex.
Does any one have a copy of Odex’s GSD, or whichever it was that allegedly had subs that ‘resembled’ a fansub? Ethereal? Would be interesting to have screenshots for comparison.
June 1st, 2007 at 9:53 am
Haha, ODEX tried to bundle 3 boxed sets for a low price, yet nobody would want their crappy releases.
They say that they’re going to catch more people or something. I’m going fully to XDCC now. (Yes it appears that they are focusing on torrents only.)
Hey, if that company dealing in R2 DVDs actually sets up successfully, do tell. I’ll fully support it and buy from there.
June 1st, 2007 at 10:30 am
Now that this fracas has gone public, it would be great if some of us did send letters to ST forum, telling people how we feel about this whole issue.
Not that it will solve anything, but at least it’ll make Odex listen to us for once. The whole dialogue thing months back wasn’t really much of a help.
June 1st, 2007 at 10:33 am
So if ODEX is focusing on torrents, so i guess i will go for direct download for now.
June 1st, 2007 at 10:36 am
Well, i think that it would be hard for ODEX to listen us. If he would listen to us then he would have reply all the email that is send to them….
Dont you guys think so???
June 1st, 2007 at 10:46 am
that is why i said we should find a way and get our animes without going through odex. best if someone organise a group and get free-to-air licensing rights for singapore.
June 1st, 2007 at 11:00 am
Personally, the discussion underlying this issue requires more than a column’s worth of space. As it stands, the article sounds typically biased in favour of The Powers That Be, what with the line about the anime community planning to persist with pirating anime.
Letters sound good, although editorial mandate might kill any discussion stillborn, pardon the cynicism. And any attempts at an open, objective comparison would probably require images, making the internet a more suitable medium compared to the “Forum” page. Anyway, who’d want their real names (as stipulated by their guidelines) on those Forum letters?
June 1st, 2007 at 11:49 am
Here’s the article for any foreign anime fans interested in this issue.
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Getting anime illegally online? Beware
Japanese animated cartoons distributor sending letters to culprits warning of legal actions.
Prices of anime DVDs here are the world’s lowest, but fans of these japanese animated cartoons prefer to get them online - for free.
Now they may land in the soup because a crackdown has been launched, and they are the targets for downloading these english-subtitled cartoons through file-sharing networks.
Local anime distributor Odex, which brings in the DVDs from Japan, has sent out letters to culprits it has identified as having downloaded these fansubs using the Internet and peer-to-peer systems like Bittorrent.
Fansubs are the works subtitled by bilingual fans of anime as a service to the community of non-japanese speaking anime fans.
Odex spokesman Stephen Sing would not say how many legal letters has been issued.
A copy of one such letter was obtained by The Straits Times announced that Odex would take legal action against the alleged downloader unless he settled the issue. Odex did not say what constitutes a settlement.
The letter to this particular alleged downloader - a singnet subscriber - came attached with a three-page listing of alleged downloads.
Mr Sing said that Odex, together with the Anti Video Piracy Association of Singapore, had no choice but to take legal action, because “pirates” here download more anime files than any other country except the United States, which was “ridiculous, considering our population”.
Anime fansubs, around sicne the 1980s, used to come in video casettes, but the internet and bittorrent have made it cheap and easy to get hold of the cartoons.
An anime fan here, who declined to be named, said the community was downloading fansubs because original anime works were of poor quality and overpriced.
Mr Sing’s counter: “Perception problem.”
Focus groups, he said, have been unable to differentiate fansubs from its DVDs when played on a 42 inch TV set.
Mr Sing added that on a per-DVD basis, prices here were the world’s lowest, and taht even Odex bundled three DVDs for a $9.90 trial offer, fans did not bite.
In the US, the price of a two-DVD set costs between US$15 and US$20, depending on the anime title.
The anime fan was dismissive of the crackdown and said it would not stop fansub piracy. The community is tech-savvy and will find ways to continue downloading without getting caught, he said.
Under Singapore Copyright Act, users found guilty of “wilful” and “significant” download face fines of up to $20 000 and up to six months behind bars.
The Act does not specify what constitutes a significant number of downloads.
chuahh@sph.com.sg
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Truly ridiculous, why didnt they mention the year long waiting of anime when its over 2 years old and stuff? And how many anime are on DVDs? and how many are actually on VCDs? And most importantly, the censorship of singapore?
And the spokeman stephen sing is obviously being very aggressive to his consumers here.
June 1st, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Focus groups, he said, have been unable to differentiate fansubs from its DVDs when played on a 42 inch TV set.
Only on 42 inch TV set??? what about those bigger or smaller size???
and i only watch anime on my 14.1 inch laptop from DVD. And it seem like only their DVD anime can match with the fansubs, why didnt they say about their VCD???