Odex — having your cake and eating it too
UPDATE 20/11/2007: Note to foreign readers. This article is about Odex’s local copyright enforcement actions that took place in Singapore in mid 2007. This is not directly related to its latest international efforts. Please refer to here for discussions on the latest development.
Here is my summary of what I think of Odex’s grand scheme to dominate the local market in one daring move, and why I think they will fail terribly and spoil it for the rest of us. As some of you may or may not know, I met with Peter Go, director of Odex, twice before and had some discussions with him long before the start of the on-going fiasco (after he read my letter). At that time, I promised him that I would not reveal anything that was said during our private conversations, so I shall honour that promise. Not that I have a need to, now that Odex has shown its hand and everything has been made public. Anyway, just hoping to clear up some FUDs that have been making their rounds in every single forum thread on the topic.
Anti-Video Piracy Association of Singapore (AVPAS) is not affliated to the government.
Never was, never will be.
Odex is the sole active member of AVPAS.
Although Odex is inconspicuously in the middle of the member list of AVPAS, it is not too much a stretch to say that AVPAS is essentially Odex and not much more. Basically it’s like how music labels use RIAA to redirect the bad publicity away from their brand names, except that Odex is failing horribly at it because they were too lazy to create a letterhead for AVPAS and decided to use their own instead. Big mistake.
Odex is not, and has never been, the dominant proliferator of anime in Singapore.
They may be the one with all the licensing rights, but exponential growth of anime’s popularity seen locally was not their doing. Odex VCDs and DVDs have never received the level of acceptance and respect given to R1 DVDs by the American anime community. With or without BitTorrent.
Odex employees download fansubs.
According to various personal blogs belonging to related individuals. Or just common sense. I mean, the only reason why those people are working for Odex is because they are anime viewers. Where do almost all Singaporean fans get their anime fix from? Hint: it ain’t packaged in silver. Are their employees being issued similar letters?
Not all the AVPAS titles are licensed for local distribution.
Although Odex is the only active member of AVPAS, it does have the consent of the Japanese studios to act on behalf of them. Odex is empowered, through its own creation AVPAS, to defend the copyrights of these studios, whether or not the works in question are licensed for distribution by Odex. This can be said to be very unfair because many of the items are not legally available in Singapore except through expensive parallel importing and the actual damages done by illegal downloading to Odex’s business is therefore zero for these particular titles. Still, it appears that Odex does indeed have the right to represent the interest of those Japanese studios and thus it is within their abilities to sue for certain titles that they do not hold the distribution rights for.
The Japanese studios are not directly involved.
As far as I can tell, the Japanese studios did not initiate this. They probably do not care about what Odex does since Singapore is an insignificant market to them. From what little information is available, it appears that AVPAS was created initially to target commercial bootlegging, for example in 2004 they won a case against a local retail chain to raid their warehouse. This suggests that the Japanese studios authorized Odex to represent their interests so as to fight what they perceive to be commercial piracy. Whether or not this authorization is now being misused by Odex for their own agendas is highly questionable.
Odex did not send any warnings.
When a local blogger first mentioned in passing that Odex was going to take legal actions, they denied it and refused to comment on it. Then one day the letters started flying out of the blue and immediately started to demand money. This really makes one question Odex’s intention.
As a private entity, Odex cannot file a criminal suit.
Although they mentioned “fines of $10,000 per item and imprisonment of 5 years” in their letter, Odex can do nothing of that sort. They can launch a civil suit against you and if they win they can claim damages incurred. But they cannot force the relevant authorities to press criminal charges against you. That is up to the government to decide.
Neither can Odex prevent any criminal charges.
Even if you pay Odex their $3,000 or so, there is nothing to stop the government from pressing criminal charges against you. Copyright infringement is a criminal offence in Singapore. Odex can do nothing to interfere with that. In fact, even if they promise not to sue you themselves, there is nothing that legally prevents them from reporting you to the relevant authorities. In fact, it would be illegal for them to make such a promise.
Odex claims $3,000-$5,000 settlement is for legal and tracking fees.
With 1,000 subpoenaed IP addresses per ISP for SingNet, Starhub and PacNet, we end up with exactly 3,000 IP addresses being affected. Let’s very generously estimate that PacNet manages to appeal successfully and protect the identity of its subscribers and that 1/3 of the addresses are either duplicates (due to dynamic IP assignment) or otherwise unsuitable for Odex’s purpose (e.g. employees, friends and/or relatives). We are still left with about 1,300 or so targets. Let’s assume that everyone only has to pay, on average, $3,000. That is a total of 3.9 million dollars we are talking about, and that is the low end assumption. It can potentially be twice as much if you change a few variables.
According to this The New Paper article, Odex enlisted the help of a US company in tracking BitTorrent downloads. It doesn’t take 3.9 million dollars to run a bunch of servers to auto-scrape at regular intervals every torrent file posted on AnimeSuki and TokyoTosho using their RSS feeds. As for legal fees, Odex mailed their letter using their own letterhead and, from the accounts of people who received the letter, there is no indication that a lawyer was present during their meetings with Odex representatives. Which means that Odex only had to pay for at most legal advices, if anything at all. Certainly not worth 3.9 million dollars.
All that money has to go somewhere. I wonder where…
Odex has already paid all the necessary fees.
At least, that seems to be a logical assumption, since people don’t work for free. In other words, Odex created this elaborate scheme to instil fear, uncertainty and doubt into fansub downloaders, but they don’t want to have to pay for it themselves. So now they are asking you to pay up. They want to have your cake and eat it too. Also, what happens when they have collected enough to make back their original investment? I doubt it was anything more than $100,000, unless people really do pay millions(!?) of dollars for someone to scrape torrent trackers, in which case I shall end my rant here because I have a company to start up. After making back their investment, will Odex cease this futile fear mongering or will they earn some profits while they are at it? Have they already earned back their investment? I think there are a lot of questions in this area that need answering.
Odex does not have a foolproof case in court.
There is little precedence to work with, but there are many holes in their argument. The only evidence they have of your infringement is the IP address, which may not be enough. Various people have also reported that they were turned away when they went to talk to Odex with a lawyer, which is an indication that Odex is uncertain about the validity of its claims. At least one person was advised by his lawyer to ignore the letter and delete all the things he downloaded. So far Odex has not taken any actions against him. If more people refuse to pay up, Odex may be forced to either sue someone to make an example of him or to give up on this whole endeavour. If they do sue, there is no guarantee of victory and it is very hard to guess how much damages the court will award even if they win. It may even be less than $3,000-$5,000.
You are not guilty until proven so in court.
You are not obligated to show anything to Odex just because they send you a letter. You do not have to admit to anything and you should not incriminate yourself. Ask them for all the evidence they have against you. Ask them to explain clearly how each piece of evidence proves their claims. Ask them for a breakdown of the payment and why the amount varies from person to person, especially since they claim that it is supposed to be for the fees they have incurred. Do not sign anything. Seek legal advice if possible.
Odex is attempting to launch a Video-On-Demand service.
Prevent people from downloading and then launch their own service. It seemed like the perfect plan. Unfortunately, it was delayed (perhaps indefinitely), leaving people with nothing but an empty “under construction” page. Also, consider the next point…
The Odex brand is permanently tainted.
Who is going to utilize a VOD service if Odex does manage to get it up eventually? The same teenage anime fans that are defacing pictures of Stephen Sing, the other director of Odex, on HWZ now? Somehow, I don’t think so. Mr. Peter Go also mentioned in the TNP article that Odex sales fell 50% in 2006. Well, who’s taking bets for 2007? In the unlikelihood that sales actually improve, it can only be attributed to market demands generated by certain pyrotechnic displays. Seriously, I have bought Odex VCDs before and now I won’t ever again. How exactly was this supposed to be a response to poor sales again?
My General Paper teacher read about this in the papers and he thinks that Odex is just being greedy.
This is the first time my teacher has heard of Odex. His opinion is that if Odex was really working for the public good, they should have given sufficient prior warnings. It’s very sad when such an unpleasant undertaking becomes your company’s sole source of publicity for most of the population who has, until now, been completely oblivious to your existence. Contrary to the popular old saying, there is such a thing as bad publicity, especially when you are trying to sell something.
Most other forms of downloading are not affected.
HTTP, FTP, IRC, video streaming sites and a whole lot more. BitTorrent just so happens to be easily monitored due to every torrent file having its own tracker and swarm. But no US company is going to be able to log your HTTP downloads without violating some much more serious laws. While P2P file-sharing networks are vulnerable, they are much less so than BitTorrent due to the different nature in file distribution. Ultimately, this crackdown will only serve to increase the popularity of crunchyroll and similar video streaming sites, which is indeed a terrible prospect for those of us who somewhat value video quality, but does nothing for Odex’s stated goal of fighting illegal downloads.
Well, that’s a lot of typing. Maybe I’ll update this when I think of more things.



August 23rd, 2007 at 10:18 am
sorry double post. its thanks odex for owning me.. and what i meant about the list was that the anime they showed me i have dled dates back to march when i was dling geass.
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:36 am
Sorry to hear that, WKSim. Will you be seeking legal advice first?
Most of the people that were caught I heard, records of their downloads were based on Feb and Mar this year. By it means this is prior to Odex sending out its first batch of 17 letters?
And your ISP….?
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:45 am
for those intending to call into 93.8FM tmr, pls try to do it with more contructive criticism rather than juz for a chance to flame odex more. i noe how everyone is feeling since i’m part of this whole fiasco too, but if it gets so hyped that it gets on radio, we should bring forth our stand rather than take the chance to derail odex more.
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:49 am
I m using singnet. Im not very sure about legal advice and related stuff which is why i need some advice..i guess im a 18 yo whos ignorant bout such stuff though i just studied copyright law in poly. And as for the downloads dating back to feb n mar..the question mark in my mind is that by showing that they could track u back all the way to so many months ago, is it to show that they have more evidence on their hands then u think or for more items to charge u on?
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:08 am
Holy shi- which means they have not finished pursuing those 1000 from Singnet?
This is just so wrong…
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:15 am
Hmm I guess so? Still..if i really have to cough up 3k to 5k thats kinda of deep in my parents pocket..i guess its time to get some part time job to start paying my parents back.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:16 am
Dear all, I had wanted to comment on DM’s remark: “…it is very hard to guess how much damages the court will award even if they win. It may even be less than $3,000-$5,000.”
That’s true. But even if the courts only award (say) $1000, it’s highly likely you’ve to fork out the legal fees of both sides. That’ll screw you much more than the compensation. This FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) is sure to keep people paying.
I’m surprised Odex had not raised this point yet.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:13 pm
@Hono DokiDoki
I read somewhere they are NOT targetting specific ISPs.
And WKSim
I m really sorry to hear that u so sway thio the letter. Well, money spent can be earned back in the future. And u can always pay Odex in instalments provided u show prove u have financial difficulties.
However i recommend that for now u concentrate on yr studies in poly and try not to think so much about it. Certain unexpected developments might take place for all we know.
Plus tomorrow’s 93.8 LIVE will give us an opportunity to make our stand known publicly. Thus more people will get to know of this, and who knows what might happen next?
Btw WKSim, what do you plan to do?
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pm
Well there is a few things that will happen
1. Odex goes bankrupt (that it will never happen… who knows maybe after this fiasco)
2. Anime fans will either have to import OR buy from Odex for their daily anime fix. Now or in the future. (well maybe not from odex)
3. ODEX says: END OF SENDING LETTER MUAHAHAHAHA. I’LL RAID YOUR HOUSE FOR PIRATED ANIME VIDEOs AND TAKE YOUR COMPUTER AND SUE YOU!! (A NEW BEGINNING AFTER THE END)
4. He Gives Up (LOLx)
BTW odex started this without giving a first warning (that is so unfair for those who got the letter) (and the poor 9 years old kid… haiz~ he’ll hate that guy for life)
And what he said on the fourm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Xysing_2monthsagolo.jpg
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:40 pm
Hey just curious, those of who received the letter, what series were you downloading? Were they all in the list?
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:23 pm
I have a question,so is it right to say that the animes not listed in their list of animes at the AVPAS website is safe for downloading since they don’t have the rights to sue us because the anime doesn’t belong to them.
Another thing is I went to a forum and one guy supposedly got ODEXED for downloading an anime which was licensed a few days after he downloaded it,it is not fair because when he was downloading it,it didn’t belong to ODEX,it is so unfair,for example you were testing a Pen at a bookstore and later some guy bought it than scolded you for using his Pen which wasn’t his when you were using it,so i feel that ODEX should only catch people who are downloading animes that have been licensed by ODEX instead of catching people who downloaded it before it being licensed,ODES is like setting a trap,at most they should just send a later to the downloaders of the latter situation to warn them that the anime have been licensed and that they have absolute rights to sue them if they continue.In summary,all old records of the illegal downloaders before ODEX set up the rule shold be completely erased,this way ODEX can catch the people that broke their rule despite all the warning,making it more acceptable for us.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Did anyone get any letter with logs dating AFTER march? BayTSP, according to an article I read, charges from $200 to $50000 US a month to track P2P downloaders for a company. That article was back in 2002. Now they may have raised their prices. If they go much beyond that threshold of around 50 grand US, I doubt Odex could afford their services for long.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:38 pm
Xedo On!
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:14 pm
I really want to know how many letters have been sent out. At least we could have a good guage of how far Xedo has gone. Anyone care for a guess?
Plus, quendilil, i have a similar question too. Did they track after march?
And you are right that xedo cant afford it for too long.
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:59 pm
Updates
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Courts%2Band%2BCrime/STIStory_151108.html