Odex — having your cake and eating it too
UPDATE 20/11/2007: Note to foreign readers. This article is about Odex’s local copyright enforcement actions that took place in Singapore in mid 2007. This is not directly related to its latest international efforts. Please refer to here for discussions on the latest development.
Here is my summary of what I think of Odex’s grand scheme to dominate the local market in one daring move, and why I think they will fail terribly and spoil it for the rest of us. As some of you may or may not know, I met with Peter Go, director of Odex, twice before and had some discussions with him long before the start of the on-going fiasco (after he read my letter). At that time, I promised him that I would not reveal anything that was said during our private conversations, so I shall honour that promise. Not that I have a need to, now that Odex has shown its hand and everything has been made public. Anyway, just hoping to clear up some FUDs that have been making their rounds in every single forum thread on the topic.
Anti-Video Piracy Association of Singapore (AVPAS) is not affliated to the government.
Never was, never will be.
Odex is the sole active member of AVPAS.
Although Odex is inconspicuously in the middle of the member list of AVPAS, it is not too much a stretch to say that AVPAS is essentially Odex and not much more. Basically it’s like how music labels use RIAA to redirect the bad publicity away from their brand names, except that Odex is failing horribly at it because they were too lazy to create a letterhead for AVPAS and decided to use their own instead. Big mistake.
Odex is not, and has never been, the dominant proliferator of anime in Singapore.
They may be the one with all the licensing rights, but exponential growth of anime’s popularity seen locally was not their doing. Odex VCDs and DVDs have never received the level of acceptance and respect given to R1 DVDs by the American anime community. With or without BitTorrent.
Odex employees download fansubs.
According to various personal blogs belonging to related individuals. Or just common sense. I mean, the only reason why those people are working for Odex is because they are anime viewers. Where do almost all Singaporean fans get their anime fix from? Hint: it ain’t packaged in silver. Are their employees being issued similar letters?
Not all the AVPAS titles are licensed for local distribution.
Although Odex is the only active member of AVPAS, it does have the consent of the Japanese studios to act on behalf of them. Odex is empowered, through its own creation AVPAS, to defend the copyrights of these studios, whether or not the works in question are licensed for distribution by Odex. This can be said to be very unfair because many of the items are not legally available in Singapore except through expensive parallel importing and the actual damages done by illegal downloading to Odex’s business is therefore zero for these particular titles. Still, it appears that Odex does indeed have the right to represent the interest of those Japanese studios and thus it is within their abilities to sue for certain titles that they do not hold the distribution rights for.
The Japanese studios are not directly involved.
As far as I can tell, the Japanese studios did not initiate this. They probably do not care about what Odex does since Singapore is an insignificant market to them. From what little information is available, it appears that AVPAS was created initially to target commercial bootlegging, for example in 2004 they won a case against a local retail chain to raid their warehouse. This suggests that the Japanese studios authorized Odex to represent their interests so as to fight what they perceive to be commercial piracy. Whether or not this authorization is now being misused by Odex for their own agendas is highly questionable.
Odex did not send any warnings.
When a local blogger first mentioned in passing that Odex was going to take legal actions, they denied it and refused to comment on it. Then one day the letters started flying out of the blue and immediately started to demand money. This really makes one question Odex’s intention.
As a private entity, Odex cannot file a criminal suit.
Although they mentioned “fines of $10,000 per item and imprisonment of 5 years” in their letter, Odex can do nothing of that sort. They can launch a civil suit against you and if they win they can claim damages incurred. But they cannot force the relevant authorities to press criminal charges against you. That is up to the government to decide.
Neither can Odex prevent any criminal charges.
Even if you pay Odex their $3,000 or so, there is nothing to stop the government from pressing criminal charges against you. Copyright infringement is a criminal offence in Singapore. Odex can do nothing to interfere with that. In fact, even if they promise not to sue you themselves, there is nothing that legally prevents them from reporting you to the relevant authorities. In fact, it would be illegal for them to make such a promise.
Odex claims $3,000-$5,000 settlement is for legal and tracking fees.
With 1,000 subpoenaed IP addresses per ISP for SingNet, Starhub and PacNet, we end up with exactly 3,000 IP addresses being affected. Let’s very generously estimate that PacNet manages to appeal successfully and protect the identity of its subscribers and that 1/3 of the addresses are either duplicates (due to dynamic IP assignment) or otherwise unsuitable for Odex’s purpose (e.g. employees, friends and/or relatives). We are still left with about 1,300 or so targets. Let’s assume that everyone only has to pay, on average, $3,000. That is a total of 3.9 million dollars we are talking about, and that is the low end assumption. It can potentially be twice as much if you change a few variables.
According to this The New Paper article, Odex enlisted the help of a US company in tracking BitTorrent downloads. It doesn’t take 3.9 million dollars to run a bunch of servers to auto-scrape at regular intervals every torrent file posted on AnimeSuki and TokyoTosho using their RSS feeds. As for legal fees, Odex mailed their letter using their own letterhead and, from the accounts of people who received the letter, there is no indication that a lawyer was present during their meetings with Odex representatives. Which means that Odex only had to pay for at most legal advices, if anything at all. Certainly not worth 3.9 million dollars.
All that money has to go somewhere. I wonder where…
Odex has already paid all the necessary fees.
At least, that seems to be a logical assumption, since people don’t work for free. In other words, Odex created this elaborate scheme to instil fear, uncertainty and doubt into fansub downloaders, but they don’t want to have to pay for it themselves. So now they are asking you to pay up. They want to have your cake and eat it too. Also, what happens when they have collected enough to make back their original investment? I doubt it was anything more than $100,000, unless people really do pay millions(!?) of dollars for someone to scrape torrent trackers, in which case I shall end my rant here because I have a company to start up. After making back their investment, will Odex cease this futile fear mongering or will they earn some profits while they are at it? Have they already earned back their investment? I think there are a lot of questions in this area that need answering.
Odex does not have a foolproof case in court.
There is little precedence to work with, but there are many holes in their argument. The only evidence they have of your infringement is the IP address, which may not be enough. Various people have also reported that they were turned away when they went to talk to Odex with a lawyer, which is an indication that Odex is uncertain about the validity of its claims. At least one person was advised by his lawyer to ignore the letter and delete all the things he downloaded. So far Odex has not taken any actions against him. If more people refuse to pay up, Odex may be forced to either sue someone to make an example of him or to give up on this whole endeavour. If they do sue, there is no guarantee of victory and it is very hard to guess how much damages the court will award even if they win. It may even be less than $3,000-$5,000.
You are not guilty until proven so in court.
You are not obligated to show anything to Odex just because they send you a letter. You do not have to admit to anything and you should not incriminate yourself. Ask them for all the evidence they have against you. Ask them to explain clearly how each piece of evidence proves their claims. Ask them for a breakdown of the payment and why the amount varies from person to person, especially since they claim that it is supposed to be for the fees they have incurred. Do not sign anything. Seek legal advice if possible.
Odex is attempting to launch a Video-On-Demand service.
Prevent people from downloading and then launch their own service. It seemed like the perfect plan. Unfortunately, it was delayed (perhaps indefinitely), leaving people with nothing but an empty “under construction” page. Also, consider the next point…
The Odex brand is permanently tainted.
Who is going to utilize a VOD service if Odex does manage to get it up eventually? The same teenage anime fans that are defacing pictures of Stephen Sing, the other director of Odex, on HWZ now? Somehow, I don’t think so. Mr. Peter Go also mentioned in the TNP article that Odex sales fell 50% in 2006. Well, who’s taking bets for 2007? In the unlikelihood that sales actually improve, it can only be attributed to market demands generated by certain pyrotechnic displays. Seriously, I have bought Odex VCDs before and now I won’t ever again. How exactly was this supposed to be a response to poor sales again?
My General Paper teacher read about this in the papers and he thinks that Odex is just being greedy.
This is the first time my teacher has heard of Odex. His opinion is that if Odex was really working for the public good, they should have given sufficient prior warnings. It’s very sad when such an unpleasant undertaking becomes your company’s sole source of publicity for most of the population who has, until now, been completely oblivious to your existence. Contrary to the popular old saying, there is such a thing as bad publicity, especially when you are trying to sell something.
Most other forms of downloading are not affected.
HTTP, FTP, IRC, video streaming sites and a whole lot more. BitTorrent just so happens to be easily monitored due to every torrent file having its own tracker and swarm. But no US company is going to be able to log your HTTP downloads without violating some much more serious laws. While P2P file-sharing networks are vulnerable, they are much less so than BitTorrent due to the different nature in file distribution. Ultimately, this crackdown will only serve to increase the popularity of crunchyroll and similar video streaming sites, which is indeed a terrible prospect for those of us who somewhat value video quality, but does nothing for Odex’s stated goal of fighting illegal downloads.
Well, that’s a lot of typing. Maybe I’ll update this when I think of more things.



August 21st, 2007 at 10:53 pm
What company produce the most quality anime dvd boxsets Jap/Lang Eng/Sub?
August 21st, 2007 at 11:00 pm
Has anyone else noticed that the list of authorized titles has been updated?
Code Geass and Haruhi are on the updated list.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:01 pm
@chappy Oh yeah,I def will buy it if the quality is good!For the things that I like, I don’t care about the cost as long as the quality is good and thats the truth. But if you give me that trash @ a great pricing of $9.90,I will say to hell to them!Bought it once and it went straight to the bin…No negotiation…I believe that there are many others A-typical Singaporeans out there too who has the same view as me.
And guys…Chill!!! @LianYL Don’t let what other says bother you. You have your own view and they have theirs too. One man’s meat is another poison right? So just calm down,take a deep breathe and let it go otherwise it will never end. I know I have no right to say this…but try to keep your temper in check,it is not nice to make fun of people’s intelligence. By reciprocating with grace,that is a true gentleman.
@DKiWi I believe we have no rights to deleting LianYL post…If we are doing that,won’t we be setting a bad example…not respecting other’s freedom of speech?So chill 2!
@AnimeFreak & @miyamiya…try to chill too…I understand your view and how you feel about his postings, but there is really no point in arguing…We should consolidate our effort to help those in need instead of arguing over here.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Sidenote: Not that I particularly notice what LianYL wrote.. just that while scrolling down alot ppl was commenting what was written, hence went to read what was commented. I’m not saying who is right or who is wrong, it all boils down on what perspective an individual looking at this matter from. Hence this is what I feel personally, of course I not suggesting anything.
(I am not liable to forms of damages of reputation damages to any names/ companies especially mentioned in the above written. From what i googled, there are similar names that are JUST similar. For example, http://www.midnightsundrilling.com/ODEX_system.html . )
Bleahz =p
August 21st, 2007 at 11:10 pm
@Shiro: agree with you and read a lot of stuff about it but no one came up with a good idea and some are doing things like this.
http://odex-rebellion.blogspot.com/
does this even solve the problem we are having right now or are we making more trouble till government have to butt in and stop O*** or US?
August 21st, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Sorry to post again. Proof of ODEX = AVPAS. Everything was done up today.
http://www.avpas.com.sg/
http://www.odex.com.sg/
Same stuff, same content, same day.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:39 pm
“Odex was appointed to conduct the present enforcement drive because it is the largest distributor of anime in the region, and it has conducted successful enforcement actions in the past in relation to the sale of pirated anime VCDs and DVDs.”
Appointed? whom by? Your puny little AVPAS committee? Did the associate members have any say in the matter?
“It is not just the higher end of the retail chain which is missing out. Consumers are unknowingly left shortchanged when they buy pirated video products. There is little difference in price between original and pirated copies, so if the consumer buys pirated copies they are purchasing a poorer quality product with less choices in digital options(language, subtitles and background chapters) ~ basically the consumer is receiving less value for money.The rampant video piracy threatens to compromise Singapore’s positions both as a multi-media hub and a knowledge-based economy. ”
Oh sure, my free h264 or better rips are of poorer quality than your VCDs.
“At present, there are more than 3,000 IP addresses that are the subject of court orders already issued, or of pending applications in court. Some reports have referred to Odex obtaining information relating to 1,000 IP addresses from each ISP. This is inaccurate. None of the ISPs assigns unique IP addresses to their subscribers, and it is highly unlikely that 1,000 IP addresses would in fact translate to the identification of 1,000 different subscribers – i.e. the figure would be much less.”
THE Figure would be much less? Correct me if I’m being a dunderhead but, a shared IP address means that dozens or hundreds are using a single IP for internet connections. That’s why wikipedia can’t detect whether I’m a spammer or a normal reader.
“Should the copyright owners’ attempts (through Odex) to amicably resolve matters be rejected by any downloader, then the copyright owners are free to commence legal proceedings against the downloaders to claim all remedies that they are entitled to claim under Singapore law, including damages, an injunction, and legal costs.”
Correct me if I’m wrong again, but does this not mean that the COPYRIGHT OWNERS (the anime studios) CAN choose to commence legal proceedings?
August 21st, 2007 at 11:51 pm
@1souls: I’m not too sure about which produces the best quality products, but I believe Viz, FUNimation and Bandai all produce good quality products. But to date, IMO, they aren’t better than fansubs, but they have really really good quality products. I guess they’ll overshadow the fansubs soon once they start releasing anime on BluRay.
@quendidil: Code Geass was on that list already. But I don’t remember Haruhi being there… I could have overlooked that one.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:52 pm
In that clarification article, Odex seem to using the phrase “enforcement drive” very frequently, I wonder why? Mayhap the batrachomyomachia is all some stupid drive to strike fear into our hearts? Make us stop downloading? Furthermorel, if they claim to have been “authorised by the AVPAs,…,to take all steps necessary to protect and enforce the copyrights subsisting in more than 400 anime titles”, they do not, have direct approval from the studios to “commence legal proceedings”, their lot is just the sending of letters and threats. If the Japanese industry really wanted to enforce “copyrights” the whole doujin industry would never have developed.
Odex have also claimed to had “conducted successful enforcement actions in the past in relation to the sale of pirated anime VCDs and DVDs.” Take note, this was the SALE for PROFIT of the discs, the cases then and now are quite different aside from the common issue of piracy, or in other words, copyright infringement.
I’d really like to know the views of the Japanese studios on this matter, maybe DM or someone fluent enough in Japanese could write to the studios, asking them for confirmation?
August 21st, 2007 at 11:59 pm
Woot! New comment system!
Don’t mind me, carry on.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:37 am
Well, I, for one, think that the whole episode isn’t very good for the Anime community in general. The Straits Times obviously wrote a biased report and have managed to villify the Anime community and classify everyone here as illegal downloaders who send out death threats.
To me, anime fans always are willing to support copyright owners and content producers. This has been the way Anime clubs and fansubbing in general coexisted with corporations and content owners everywhere else in the world. In several Anime clubs I was a member of in the US, we regularly pull fansubs off distribution once a local company has licensed them. In the meantime, we regularly ask for permission to these companies for each club screening we are about to conduct every other week. None of the companies has ever denied us doing these screenings (i.e. Viz, Bandai, etc)
Literally, Anime fans grew out of grassroots efforts to enable the Japanese content owners enter the American market. None of the Anime companies that grew in the U.S. like Viz and Animeigo grew without their founders and staff being members of anime fanclubs who screen fansubs in the first place. Bandai would’ve never came to the US like they did without the proliferation of so many small startup companies bidding to license their content for distribution in the US.
The main point here is that what AVPAS and ODEX is doing is wrong.
Even if ODEX/AVPAS is hiding behind a legal curtain, what this episode has taught us is that what is legal is definitely not ethical, just, nor right. Their approach, which was unfair, secretive and heavy handed, is the same as the way the government campaign against the crime of the month, by villifying and setting examples of those doing wrong, then using their own SPH to move public opinion their way, except that this time, the anime fans are paying for their negative PR campaign.
In turn, the anime industry and Odex themselves are paying for it. Everyone hates Odex and their enforcers.
I imagine that the Singapore Government, if they are smart, do not want to be associated as the villain who sues 9-year olds $5K for downloading content they would be willing to pay for anyway if asked nicely. The Singapore government would be very happy however, to be positively associated with us fans who really actually support content producers by buying legally licensed content.
The problem is, the AVPAS website is promoting the MP who heads it, and Odex’s and AVPAS’s actions are, as they said, a PR disaster. AVPAS (supported by IPOS) or ODEX itself is to blame for the ugly situation by alienating the very consumers that have the very potential to make the anime industry thrive.
In other words, it looks like AVPAS has killed ODEX and anime fandom in general in Singapore.
So what should we as good anime fan citizens do?
I think it’s clear that the message being sent out is that AVPAS and Odex value money as their barometer of right or wrong, and being legal doesn’t mean being ethical.
So what can the fans do?
1. Don’t support ODEX with your money anymore. Never buy Odex for as long as you live, or until Odex repents.
Talk to your local retailer, explain to them that Odex products are crap, and encourage them nicely not to sell Odex products anymore. Point out to them that Odex can be suing the retailers next for that imported pirated anime if it is not from Odex so it is better not to deal with Odex or anime in general, and refer them to legal anime providers abroad; i.e. Amazon.
Talk to your friends not to buy Odex.
Give flyers about the Odex fiasco in front of stores that sell Odex products.
It is better for Odex and/or it’s creation AVPAS to be bankrupt and have no local legal anime in Singapore the short term than deal with such a company with no moral or ethical foundations in the long run.
2. Support your local anime club. Contribute to promote legal copies of anime - Belong to an anime advocacy group that promotes the legal purcase of anime from other sourcese than Odex. i.e. Pool resources to buy licensed anime products directly from the US or Japan; we can also contribute to help the Film commissions board to rate the anime for the rest of the fans who buy legal copies.
3. Maybe talk to your local MP and ask them why a corporation like Odex who has licensing monopoly in Singapore can get a special interest organization like AVPAS, whose only beneficiary in singapore seems to be Odex, be endorsed by an MP. If they’re a supporter of AVPAS, you can always vote for the opposition. And you can always ask them why AVPAS’ message is not to promote the adoption of buying legal content, but suing the heck out of the consumers and your well-meaning average citizen.
4. You can legally buy pirated copies of Odex products outside Singapore, let’s say when you go to JB. For every legal anime you buy, you can also try to buy a legally pirated Odex copy in JB and throw those CDs away. This will give money to the syndicates in Malaysia to produce more pirated Odex property, which could have gone to legal Odex copies if they hand’t been so obnoxious in Singapore.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:37 am
@Konaha
You mean ‘objective’ manner? Isn’t mugging fun.
@AnimeFreak
LOL That comment wasn’t even targeted at you.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:39 am
Okay I am confused by this new comment system. Maybe it was set in place to ward me off.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:47 am
Hi all,
A same case related to Odex’s Case.
Must READ and YOU KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE FACTS!
Is kind of long but READ for your own good and defend.
http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/08/07/the-riaa-vs-john-doe-a-laypersons-guide-to-filesharing-lawsui/
http://info.riaalawsuits.us/howriaa.htm
http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 am
@Lawyers: Fark. Damn this whole law system… No wonder Yagami Light decided to take the law into his own hands. With a law system so corrupted in it’s practices, it makes the world look like shit.
Just because I’m not court to defend myself means I’m automatically guilty? God damnit, that’s sick.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 am
Legal Conspiracy
In the legal letter that was sent to the downloader stated “we have been authorized by various Japanese animation licensors and members of the Anti Video Piracy Association (Singapore (”AVPAS”) (as Listed in APPENDIX A annexed hereto) to represent them in connection with the protection and enforcement of their rights in their Japanese animation titles.”
Questionable legal action from Singapore legislation arised, since Singapore ISP disclosed privacy information to ODEX. AVPAS as an individual body that ODEX represents is a conspiracy as evidence found on both AVPAS and ODEX website were registered under the same company.
Legislation HOLE
Does that mean that any “tom, dick or harry” person could setup a similar AVPAS(company, association, organisation) and said that we represent that AVPAS body in pursue of legal action and damages that you had incurred to them?
Concrete Evidence
Using WHOIS to check on the both parties AVPAS(avpas.com.sg) and ODEX(odex.com.sg) - [http://whois.domaintools.com/]
[Editor: WHOIS info cut to save space. Anyway, the relationship between Odex and AVPAS has been discussed many times over and even in my blog entry above. It's not completely untrue to say they are the same entity, but there is a slight difference.]
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:53 pm
@AnimeFreak Yes…sadly, it will only may make matters worse as it will portray this community as immature and make us lose our credibility. And we must have the credibility if we want to make our stand.
Remember what the paper wrote regarding Mr Sing…They mention about the threat etc and portray US as immature,but they didn’t focus much on the excellent investigation conducted by our fellow comrades.
I hate quarreling and it sickens me to see how we argue here…Internal squabble will only widen the drift and give the enemies chance.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:14 pm
@Shiro: Ya… That’s kinda crap. If those guys were to have a bit more sense and not sent those death threats, it wouldn’t make us look this bad.
Those immature guys… These people aren’t scared of us… And with those death threats, it makes him look more victimized then ever…
Kids these days…
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Latest development in talks between fans (or rather, a single fan) and
Odex:
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=179331
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Update: http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=179331
A number of questionable statements if you read through everything.
A friend brought up a point. If Odex is catching based on IP address, if someone go to Macdonalds uses an external network adaptor, connects to the net and download. The IP tracked would be Macdonald’s of course. Does that mean Macdonalds has infringed copyright laws too and need to pay Odex $5k?
Then again Odex would probably want $50k or more since it’s Macdonalds.