LOL @ comment no. 205 (last question). 127 also makes a lot of sense.
@ comment 185: No need to censor yourself.
@ 212: LOL wut.
And most comments were from the haters, directed at Odex, too.
BTW I found mine. No, 249. :P
Nicely done, Darky.
3
Flux
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:07 pm
I see that you have made good use of your PW skills.
4
Almost an anime otaku
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Just to stay netural and not to send “too much hated” towards Odex. Personally, I am a heavy anime watcher, and a worse one after coming back from the Tokyo AnimeFest 2006 in March, it just shows that there is a very good market for Anime. Day in and Day out, reading articles on their explanation, just seems to bring in more “lies/excuses” and now they are saying that they make an “honest mistake”. Oh Please, you are running an business organisation, do not tell me that you did not consider your decisions before taking action, even if your initial intention was good. So it is either you assumes too much like the “no warning letter” case, or you just ignore all consumer’s privacy. You have forgotten yourself as consumers too, do not do what to ours, if you do not want to do so on yourself. What more can I say? This issue has already gone so out-of-hand, the way I looked at it, practically now is about damage-control. And I am pretty sure most are still waiting on the appeal issue. I have not received any letter (StarHub) but I am “prepared” to do so. But am I a freeloader? I don’t know, can I bring my R2s and show them? So question now lies, after the new article, they don’t like freeloaders? So are they returning the cash to the non-freeloaders, those that might have paid up?
Lastly, these are just personally opinions of my own. So many grey areas/questions, where is the line drawn now?
5
AnimeFreak!!!
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:30 pm
lol never knew the impact is so great.
6
Stanley
September 2nd, 2007 at 7:19 pm
I think Odex’s competitors like Blue Max will support Odex’s persecution of anime downloaders wholeheartedly. (cos what Odex is doing is basically pushing more customers into Blue Max’s shops). If I’m Blue Max I’d will say ‘more power to you!!!’. hahahaha
Anyway, I think this has been mentioned before, anime downloaders only need to switch from bittorrent to something else to avoid being tracked. End of the day downloading is still happening. Then what? Result: Nothing is solved and Odex becomes the bad guy and is left with the boycott from the local anime community. Reminds me of a chinese saying ‘pei le fu ren eu zhe ping’. A very bad case of not thinking things through, imho.
Your comments made it more fun to go through though. ^.^
8
Irake
September 2nd, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Hmm, I chose net negative effect, but if we take into account that this saga has brought to the forth the prevalence of anime in Singapore among us youths, as well as generated so much more discussions on anime and piracy, both here and overseas, could these be counted as positive effects?
9
bendyspoon
September 2nd, 2007 at 8:47 pm
“What is interesting is that 10% of the respondents spent more than S$5000 on related products. No wonder Sunshine Plaza is doing so well.”
Yes and no. I’m one of those among the 10% who have spent in excess of S$5,000 on anime and related merchandise over the past 6-7 years. Actually, I think the figure is closer to S$10,000. The bulk of my purchases go to R1 DVDs (I have 200+ ) and manga (600+ and about 30% are manga and artbooks imported directly from Japan). I own several seiyuu DVDs imported directly from Japan. I do buy stuff regularly from the shops in Sunshine Plaza but the amount of money spent is probably only around S$800 each year.
I will never support Odex again. (I do own several Odex VCDs and DVDs.) In any case, most of their releases are anime series I am unlikely to collect. I prefer anime meant for the mature audience (and I don’t mean hentai at all but series like Gilgamesh and Gankutsuou) which Odex will not license or distribute because they are so afraid of running into censorship problems. (But, really, when you have channel 8 drama serials dealing with murder, adultery, rape, extortion, blackmail, gangsterism etc, how much worse is anime?)
Even though I am the exception rather than the rule, most of today’s anime fans (who are mostly teenagers and young adults) will eventually mature and have more disposable income when they get a steady career going, and their taste in anime will evolve. Odex has to keep up with this group of fans unless they feel it is not necessary to do so. (Which then becomes a perception problem on their part? ;) ) Otherwise, this group of fans will be doing what I have already been doing, and import what they want to collect from overseas, bypassing the local market simply because it doesn’t have what we want. The internet is here to stay, which is a good thing: Thank goodness for online shopping opportunities!
Last but not least, thank you for conducting the survey. I enjoyed doing it, and I enjoyed looking at the results. :)
[...] And more DarkMirage survey is out. Check it out here. [...]
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yallo
September 2nd, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Haha I’m actually one of the 29 who voted for “Net positive impact” and nope, I’m not an Odex employee.
:P
I just thought that the amount of discussion and self-reflection (I hope?) that is being generated is good…
Anyway it’s heartening to see that a large proportion of fans actually own DVDs. So we aren’t just a bunch of greedy free-loaders after all. ^^
3. What are the means through which you obtain anime? Check all that apply.
Someone responded: Johor Bahru
ROTFLMAO!!!!
14
useract75
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 pm
Re Q12 and Q14:
DM believes there’s a correlation between those who answer “positive” to Q12 and “no” to Q14. But upon analysing the data, out of the 33 who answered “no” to Q14, their answers for Q12 are:
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September 2nd, 2007 at 5:00 pm
An article from Andy Ho about the whole Odex thing which I think is now becoming ridiculous really.
Enjoy, he’s one of the better writers I know of.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_153986.html
September 2nd, 2007 at 5:00 pm
LOL @ comment no. 205 (last question). 127 also makes a lot of sense.
@ comment 185: No need to censor yourself.
@ 212: LOL wut.
And most comments were from the haters, directed at Odex, too.
BTW I found mine. No, 249. :P
Nicely done, Darky.
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:07 pm
I see that you have made good use of your PW skills.
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Just to stay netural and not to send “too much hated” towards Odex. Personally, I am a heavy anime watcher, and a worse one after coming back from the Tokyo AnimeFest 2006 in March, it just shows that there is a very good market for Anime. Day in and Day out, reading articles on their explanation, just seems to bring in more “lies/excuses” and now they are saying that they make an “honest mistake”. Oh Please, you are running an business organisation, do not tell me that you did not consider your decisions before taking action, even if your initial intention was good. So it is either you assumes too much like the “no warning letter” case, or you just ignore all consumer’s privacy. You have forgotten yourself as consumers too, do not do what to ours, if you do not want to do so on yourself. What more can I say? This issue has already gone so out-of-hand, the way I looked at it, practically now is about damage-control. And I am pretty sure most are still waiting on the appeal issue. I have not received any letter (StarHub) but I am “prepared” to do so. But am I a freeloader? I don’t know, can I bring my R2s and show them? So question now lies, after the new article, they don’t like freeloaders? So are they returning the cash to the non-freeloaders, those that might have paid up?
Lastly, these are just personally opinions of my own. So many grey areas/questions, where is the line drawn now?
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:30 pm
lol never knew the impact is so great.
September 2nd, 2007 at 7:19 pm
I think Odex’s competitors like Blue Max will support Odex’s persecution of anime downloaders wholeheartedly. (cos what Odex is doing is basically pushing more customers into Blue Max’s shops). If I’m Blue Max I’d will say ‘more power to you!!!’. hahahaha
Anyway, I think this has been mentioned before, anime downloaders only need to switch from bittorrent to something else to avoid being tracked. End of the day downloading is still happening. Then what? Result: Nothing is solved and Odex becomes the bad guy and is left with the boycott from the local anime community. Reminds me of a chinese saying ‘pei le fu ren eu zhe ping’. A very bad case of not thinking things through, imho.
Just my two cents.
September 2nd, 2007 at 7:43 pm
I was expecting the results to be that.
Your comments made it more fun to go through though. ^.^
September 2nd, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Hmm, I chose net negative effect, but if we take into account that this saga has brought to the forth the prevalence of anime in Singapore among us youths, as well as generated so much more discussions on anime and piracy, both here and overseas, could these be counted as positive effects?
September 2nd, 2007 at 8:47 pm
“What is interesting is that 10% of the respondents spent more than S$5000 on related products. No wonder Sunshine Plaza is doing so well.”
Yes and no. I’m one of those among the 10% who have spent in excess of S$5,000 on anime and related merchandise over the past 6-7 years. Actually, I think the figure is closer to S$10,000. The bulk of my purchases go to R1 DVDs (I have 200+ ) and manga (600+ and about 30% are manga and artbooks imported directly from Japan). I own several seiyuu DVDs imported directly from Japan. I do buy stuff regularly from the shops in Sunshine Plaza but the amount of money spent is probably only around S$800 each year.
I will never support Odex again. (I do own several Odex VCDs and DVDs.) In any case, most of their releases are anime series I am unlikely to collect. I prefer anime meant for the mature audience (and I don’t mean hentai at all but series like Gilgamesh and Gankutsuou) which Odex will not license or distribute because they are so afraid of running into censorship problems. (But, really, when you have channel 8 drama serials dealing with murder, adultery, rape, extortion, blackmail, gangsterism etc, how much worse is anime?)
Even though I am the exception rather than the rule, most of today’s anime fans (who are mostly teenagers and young adults) will eventually mature and have more disposable income when they get a steady career going, and their taste in anime will evolve. Odex has to keep up with this group of fans unless they feel it is not necessary to do so. (Which then becomes a perception problem on their part? ;) ) Otherwise, this group of fans will be doing what I have already been doing, and import what they want to collect from overseas, bypassing the local market simply because it doesn’t have what we want. The internet is here to stay, which is a good thing: Thank goodness for online shopping opportunities!
Last but not least, thank you for conducting the survey. I enjoyed doing it, and I enjoyed looking at the results. :)
September 2nd, 2007 at 9:06 pm
I loled at the Pac-Man chart xD
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September 2nd, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Haha I’m actually one of the 29 who voted for “Net positive impact” and nope, I’m not an Odex employee.
:P
I just thought that the amount of discussion and self-reflection (I hope?) that is being generated is good…
Anyway it’s heartening to see that a large proportion of fans actually own DVDs. So we aren’t just a bunch of greedy free-loaders after all. ^^
September 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 pm
3. What are the means through which you obtain anime? Check all that apply.
Someone responded: Johor Bahru
ROTFLMAO!!!!
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 pm
Re Q12 and Q14:
DM believes there’s a correlation between those who answer “positive” to Q12 and “no” to Q14. But upon analysing the data, out of the 33 who answered “no” to Q14, their answers for Q12 are:
29 “negative effect” (88%)
3 “no effect” (9%)
1 “positive effect” (3%)
I’ve not done any chi-square analysis on it, but it appears the two distributions are independent.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:21 pm
…It was a joke. >_>