Apocalypse now
Taken from RIUVA. So Odex has finally done it. Singapore’s anime community is doomed. Oh shit. So anyway some poor guy probably wet his pants after receiving this letter.
BTW the organization mentioned in the letter AVPAS (Anti-Piracy Association of Singapore) is similar to the RIAA/RIAS except that Odex appears to be the sole active member. The organization has obtained authorizations from various Japanese studios to represent their rights for all their copyrighted works, even those that are not licensed by Odex for distribution in Singapore. The full list of titles can be found on their website.
Read on for my thoughts.
That said, I am very, very curious as to how Odex, a private entity, managed to obtain personal data from the ISPs based on purely circumstantial evidences. As far as I can see from the AVPAS member list, there is zero indication that it is anything but a private organization. It is related to neither the police nor the relevant government agencies. Therefore, it is the anime equivalent of the RIAA.
However, RIAA, as mighty and powerful as it appears to be, is not able to obtain any personal information from American ISPs directly. It has to do it through the court. That means that it has to first start the legal procedures before the court issues a subpoena that forces the ISP to reveal the identity of the defender and summons the person to court. The defenders in these lawsuits are given the generic name “John Doe” because their names are undisclosed by their ISPs until after the court subpoena. In such cases, the first letter received by the poor sob should be from his own ISP informing him of the existence of such a subpoena for his identity.
The above letter is addressed to the person himself and was sent directly by Odex. This means that Odex, without first going through any legal proceedings, is able to obtain personal information directly from the ISPs using only the IP address. That is insane if you consider the amount of invasive power that has been put into the hands of private company and the potential for abuse by individuals with their personal agendas.
You know, there’s a certain someone whom I really hate on a certain forum. I will fake produce a record of his IP address illegally torrenting a picture that I once drew during a particularly boring physics lecture. I shall then e-mail this “proof” to Singnet and ask for this person’s home address. And if that doesn’t work, I’ll go spend a few bucks to register a company to make the request seem more legitimate…
Of course Odex is a legitimate company that is trying to protect its rights under the current intellectual property rights law (flawed as it may be). But my point is that if a private entity can obtain such information without the prior knowledge of the people involved and without the authority of the court, then what exactly in our legal system is protecting our privacy from abuse by some unscrupulous characters? And if such protection of personal privacy does indeed exist, what exactly allows Odex to bypass it?
Then again, I’m not well-versed with the local legal system. Maybe our privacy laws are really that screwed up. Oh well.
Read this excellent explanation of the “RIAA vs. John Doe” lawsuits, particularly the sections on “How the RIAA identifies the people they sue” and “The Lawsuit Begins”, and compare it to what Odex is apparently authorized to do. Doesn’t RIAA look like the better alternative?
So what are your remaining options for your weekly anime fix?
- Direct download sites
- Obscure Chinese Bittorrent trackers
- XDCC bots on IRC
- Download raws off Winny/Share
- Move to Japan
- Find a job at Odex
Alternatively, find a safer hobby like playing pirated computer games or serial jaywalking.




June 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pm
Could we make noise about the fansub lifting thing?
June 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
@|c#^sNoW : That’s a huge insult to Shinen-Subs. And its impossible anyways.
Anyway thanks for the heads up, I think I will get my digi-cam handy the next time Jigoku Shoujo is shown.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:41 pm
I will just do things the Spore way, spread the word, and urge pple NOT to buy ODEX’s products.
Just keep bad mouthing them and their high handed tactics, and we will see who finally loses out in the end.
Lets see whether pple will like it, to see their privacy invaded over such a matter.
If they can fine us over such an issue, what is they for them to do the same for pple downloading porn or hentai?
June 12th, 2007 at 10:24 pm
As mentioned above by quite a number of other people other than me, what we DO want is a WIN-WIN situation. Give them a chance. No offense ShivKite, but yes, Singaporean way. But isn’t “Wait and See” part of our creed too after all. Depends on which part of the spectrum you want to be on then…
June 13th, 2007 at 1:17 am
don’t mean insult the win-win theory Ekard, but how often in Singapore has there been a win-win situation?
Especially in such situations?
I generally get the impression that whatever the powers that be cant solve, they simply sweep under the rug and wait for people to forget about it.
I kinda think thats how this things gonna end up going too…
As for the fansub lifting thing… is it possible to like umm.. inform the guys at shinsen or anything? You mean theres NOTHING that can be done?
Thats unethical… :(
June 13th, 2007 at 1:48 am
We are all complain kings too, remember? So even for something as “minor” as this, I will complain to all my kakis.
I am just working on word of mouth at the moment. Flyers would be nice too.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Sorry Odex but I was thinking of supporting the anime industry in Singapore. I previously didn’t and have regretted doing so. Now, you won’t get a single cent from me, no matter what amends you make. Furthermore, what guarantee do I have that the other anime companies in Singapore won’t follow suit?
In America, the anime companies have communication with the fansubbers and those who download the fansub episodes.
In Singapore, you throw the fans into a den of lions to repay them.
What a world of difference.
And since a number have stopped watching anime for good, I guess the anime studios won’t get any of their money at all. Therefore, I urge everyone to follow suit: stop downloading and watching fansubbed anime. Let’s see how long the Singapore anime industry will survive then.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:00 pm
@Dee That won’t work. Just spread the word, to tell pple to avoid ODEX’s products as much as possible. Tell them about their high handed tactics and the way they do things.
By the way, take heart. I spoken to a few “pirates” here. They are in favour of bringing in “fansubbed” anime from across the causeway for sale. (Free to download, high quality subbing, what more can you ask for?)
As long as there is an active market for it, they would be more then happy to earn extra $$$$. Of course if this does take off, they will have ODEX to thank for it.
Me? I rather pay peanuts for a “Pirated” product whose quality of work is so much better then what the so called “Original” can leave.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Guess “Odex” is just after money after all huh?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:26 am
They say that they are the “hands” of “Justice”. But to me, they are no different from the ruffians and scoundrels who dress in a suit and wield a strong political hammer for their own selfish ends.
Their words sound nice, but hold daggers underneath. The epitome of “Hypocrisy” deathly pales in comparision when used to describe people of their ilk.
I bet that the people who are suing, also have relatives who are the doing a similar thing. Why don’t they keep their own affairs clean first, before they start preaching to others?
June 14th, 2007 at 4:28 am
To anyone who keep insisting they can’t prove you downloaded the animes. All trackers show the people seeding (people who have the full copy of the anime) with a few simple click.
I do not think it is the best to path to employ a RIAA-like tactic, but they are in the rights to protect their interests.
June 14th, 2007 at 7:53 am
@bummerout: We do agree that we see a unique case here don’t we. Aren’t Singaporeans well known for being obedient? The fact that we complain and complain before we quiet down and shut up and take what we’re given is kind of well known. But we do see that we are different this time round don’t we? So shouldn’t there be something different this time either? In the meantime, ddl friends…
June 14th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
so direct dl will be the safest for the time being right ?
June 14th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
Screw ODEX. Support Bandai:
http://ckwiz.blogspot.com/2007/06/my-r1-haruhi-dvds-my-room-manga-stash.html
June 14th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
@dKiWi: oops i didnt noe its shinsen subs..
anw, i think e way sg companies do things r heading for doom..keep everyone updated..gd luck!
June 14th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
I think everything that can be said on this topic has already been said… at least 5 times. So yeah, I’m locking the comments.
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